Questions about the God of the Old Testament

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cksalmon wrote:I'm just trying to establish a baseline view, so that your quite-legitimate questions regarding Old Testament can be discussed fairly.


This goes to the heart of whether we are spirits or of the flesh. And some give no value to the flesh if that flesh has not proved its worth. So the question is valid. If someone believes in abortion which kills the body of an innocent spirit can they get too upset with God of the Old Testament?
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The god of the Old Testament has killed plenty of pregnant women. He has ordered plenty of pregnant women murdered.

So, the god of the Old Testament has no problem with obortion and murder of innocent men, women, children and animals if it fits into his agenda.
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just me wrote:The god of the Old Testament has killed plenty of pregnant women. He has ordered plenty of pregnant women murdered.

So, the god of the Old Testament has no problem with obortion and murder of innocent men, women, children and animals if it fits into his agenda.

so your position is that what you've described is always and forever wrong?
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Hoops wrote:
just me wrote:The god of the Old Testament has killed plenty of pregnant women. He has ordered plenty of pregnant women murdered.

So, the god of the Old Testament has no problem with obortion and murder of innocent men, women, children and animals if it fits into his agenda.

so your position is that what you've described is always and forever wrong?


Nah, I think we should do more of it. Kill, kill, kill!!! j/k

My position is that it is always and forever wrong for an all-knowing, all-loving, all-just, all-merciful God of the Universe to ever command people to slaughter other people.
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just me wrote:
Nah, I think we should do more of it. Kill, kill, kill!!! j/k

My position is that it is always and forever wrong for an all-knowing, all-loving, all-just, all-merciful God of the Universe to ever command people to slaughter other people.

so just to be clear, it's always wrong for God to do it, but it's okay for humans to do it?
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Hoops wrote:
just me wrote:
Nah, I think we should do more of it. Kill, kill, kill!!! j/k

My position is that it is always and forever wrong for an all-knowing, all-loving, all-just, all-merciful God of the Universe to ever command people to slaughter other people.

so just to be clear, it's always wrong for God to do it, but it's okay for humans to do it?


I didn't say that. You asked a question and I answered with the only absolute I know. That is my absolute.

I, personally, am against all war and all killing. I, personally, do not believe that killing of any kind is a positive thing. I am for peace.

Humans are messy. I hold my gods to a higher standard.
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just me wrote:
I, personally, am against all war and all killing.
I doubt that.

I, personally, do not believe that killing of any kind is a positive thing.
I doubt this as well. You can't imagine any situation where killing is positive?

I am for peace.
to the exclusion of everything else?

Humans are messy.
they are indeed. And yet, as I remember right, they are not sinful?

I hold my gods to a higher standard.
Me to.
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Hoops, are you legit calling me a liar? Wow. That's really rude.
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just me wrote:Hoops, are you legit calling me a liar? Wow. That's really rude.

No, not at all. Not my intention AT ALL. I KNOW you're not. How did you get there?
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Hoops wrote:
just me wrote:Hoops, are you legit calling me a liar? Wow. That's really rude.

No, not at all. Not my intention AT ALL. I KNOW you're not. How did you get there?


K, I've had some time to think about it. When you say "I doubt it" I took that as an insult...that I am lying. I am going to give a better reply now.

I believe in what might be termed "lose/lose" situations. Any and all situations that result in the killing or murder of a human, I believe are negative. However, I know that there are situations where killing a person will directly save many other human lives. To me it is a negative, either way, but one negative is worse than the alternative. Someone may accuse me of playing semantics, but I am not. I firmly believe that ALL human killing is negative. I wish there was no such thing as guns, bombs, grenades and all that war stuff. I always have wished it.

I'm not sure how peace would exclude anything else worthwhile. I don't think I understand that part of your comment.

Yes, humans are messy and I don't believe in sin. Sin is a religious construct that I reject. I prefer the terms positive, negative, harmful, etc.
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