sock puppet wrote:Is there a cause and effect hypothesis to be drawn from the relatively high correlation here between apostates (were asked by nearly every Bishop, SP, and/or MP about masturbation) and TBMs (who insist they were never once asked about masturbation by any Bishop, SP, and/or MP).
I guess I call b*** s*** on the TBMs who claim never to have been asked. Geez, BKP's obsession with young males masturbating was even memorialized in print, For Young Men Only. So I find it hard to believe that anyone could have grown up in the 70's and/or 80's and not been asked by even one of their bishops, SPs, and/or MPs.
Short answer - some of them are sincere (they just got lucky and happened to get all liberal bishops), but some are acting as unpaid PR reps for the church.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
Shulem wrote: Perhaps it has something to do with a heavy concentration of semen mixed with urin so it squirts out funny and dribbles, thus making a mess. When I was a teen my bishop told me that the semen would come out with the urine naturally or during a wet dream. That is how the Church wants men to discharge semen if they aren't married. But if you're married, you can have sex. But even then, you may not even get to have sex so you'll have to have a wet dream. Such is life in the Mormon Church.
Paul O
Wow, I remember that. Ah, the unnatural sex unpractices of the Mormon people.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
Hasa Diga Eebowai wrote:Maybe we should ask all the people who have been Bishops or Stake Presidents whether they asked on a regular basis if the members in their ward were masturbators.
I think DrW and Jason Bourne have been Bishops do we have any more?
Thanks,
Hasa Diga Eebowai
I on purpose did not ask that question though I knew fellow bishops who did.
As a youth I was not asked though I know others who were. However, once, as a teen, when due to enormous guilt and self loathing, I confessed it on my own it was a topic of regular discussion. But not before I confessed it.
Runtu wrote:Now, my young friends, and I am sorry to say, many adults, how about all those of you who have a masturbation problem? If the names of those who had the problem were projected across this big, huge scroll, would your name be there, or would you be able to sit back confident and pure in heart? (Vaughn Featherstone, "A Self-Inflicted Purging," Ensign, May 1975.
Just when I had thought that I'd seen everything this just makes me fume. Vaughn Featherstone no doubt molested many boys through his child molesting questionings. The Mormon church has a lot to answer for because it is guilty of crimes that would make our society ill. The Mormon church is not this pure organization full of godly love. It is an organization bent on controlling others, causing guilt, and worshipping prophets as if they were angels on earth. The number one goal in Mormonism is to elevate their prophets and keep them in their velvet seats and make them appear like holy beings. That IS what Mormonism is all about. All the rest is just supportive to this main goal.
Shulem wrote:Just when I had thought that I'd seen everything this just makes me fume. Vaughn Featherstone no doubt molested many boys through his child molesting questionings. The Mormon church has a lot to answer for because it is guilty of crimes that would make our society ill. The Mormon church is not this pure organization full of godly love. It is an organization bent on controlling others, causing guilt, and worshipping prophets as if they were angels on earth. The number one goal in Mormonism is to elevate their prophets and keep them in their velvet seats and make them appear like holy beings. That IS what Mormonism is all about. All the rest is just supportive to this main goal.
I so testify,
Paul O
But remember, it's us apostates who are fixated on masturbation. bcspace tells us that we got asked about it because our bishops could discern it was a problem for us. It wasn't a problem for me when I was 12 and was asked about it. I didn't even know what it was until the bishop explained it to me. It wasn't a problem for me when, as a young newlywed, I had to sit and watch a red-faced bishop harangue us from the podium about the evils of masturbation and of buying lingerie for our wives. It was not a problem for me because I took the teachings seriously, but it didn't stop them from asking every six months.
It's not my fault that my church leaders were obsessed with masturbation.
Buffalo wrote:Wow, I remember that. Ah, the unnatural sex unpractices of the Mormon people.
Indeed, I remember well the stupid letters put out by the Church Pig, President Spencer Whore Kimball about unnatural sex practices. And, I've truly found that those practices are the most delicious of all practices! I know for my self that the prophet was wrong. I have a testimony of that. I've lived it. I know it. I hope Kimball is rolling in his dirty grave. He really was a sick pig.
Runtu wrote:But remember, it's us apostates who are fixated on masturbation. bcspace tells us that we got asked about it because our bishops could discern it was a problem for us. It wasn't a problem for me when I was 12 and was asked about it. I didn't even know what it was until the bishop explained it to me. It wasn't a problem for me when, as a young newlywed, I had to sit and watch a red-faced bishop harangue us from the podium about the evils of masturbation and of buying lingerie for our wives. It was not a problem for me because I took the teachings seriously, but it didn't stop them from asking every six months.
First of all, bcspace is not an honest man. He is a troll, pure and simple. He masturbates as often as he desires just as the rest of us do. Don't put any stock into what bcspace says because he isn't dealing with a full deck. Trust me, it takes one to know one. He has his hand on it (private parts) a lot.
How do I know this? I'm a gay man and I just know it.
Shulem wrote:First of all, bcspace is not an honest man. He is a troll, pure and simple. He masturbates as often as he desires just as the rest of us do. Don't put any stock into what bcspace says because he isn't dealing with a full deck. Trust me, it takes one to know one. He has his hand on it (private parts) a lot.
How do I know this? I'm a gay man and I just know it.
Paul O
I recognize he's a troll, and an obvious one (his thread on bikini-clad girls was classic trolling). I couldn't care less about his personal habits, but it's pretty stupid to condemn us for being "obsessed" with something our leaders taught us to be obsessed with.
Runtu wrote:I recognize he's a troll, and an obvious one (his thread on bikini-clad girls was classic trolling). I couldn't care less about his personal habits, but it's pretty stupid to condemn us for being "obsessed" with something our leaders taught us to be obsessed with.
But does bcpsace know we know he is a troll? Surely he isn't that stupid. There is no way on god's green earth that bcspace can possibly stand people like Joseph Fielding Smith and call himself a good Mormon. What a joke!
Paul O
*****I did some quick deleting. I thought I was in the telestial forum!!!!!!!!!
Hasa Diga Eebowai wrote:Maybe we should ask all the people who have been Bishops or Stake Presidents whether they asked on a regular basis if the members in their ward were masturbators.
I think DrW and Jason Bourne have been Bishops do we have any more?
Thanks,
Hasa Diga Eebowai
I on purpose did not ask that question though I knew fellow bishops who did.
As a youth I was not asked though I know others who were. However, once, as a teen, when due to enormous guilt and self loathing, I confessed it on my own it was a topic of regular discussion. But not before I confessed it.
Why did you feel guilt/self loathing about masturbation in the first place?
Why did you think it was a 'sin' or something that needed to be confessed to your bishop? For example, why confess that to the bishop rather than the postal carrier who delivered mail to your home, if you felt the need to unload it, you needed catharsis?
There's a reason you approached the bishop in the first place. Why?