Romneycare: A harbinger for Obamacare

[_bcspace]

Romneycare faces financial meltdown - At some point you run out of other people's money to spend on your promises

Just as I predicted and as anyone who might know basic economics could have as well, universal healthcare causes:

Job loss.
Rising healthcare costs.
Healthcare queues.
Reduced supply of healthcare.
Reduced quality of healthcare.
Everyone eventually gets moved to subsidy.

Romney could actually use this to say he's learned his lesson and why he'd be good for rolling back Obamacare, but I don't think he's that savvy.

[_Morley]

Romneycare faces financial meltdown - At some point you run out of other people's money to spend on your promises

Just as I predicted and as anyone who might know basic economics could have as well, universal healthcare causes:

Job loss.
Rising healthcare costs.
Healthcare queues.
Reduced supply of healthcare.
Reduced quality of healthcare.
Everyone eventually gets moved to subsidy.

Romney could actually use this to say he's learned his lesson and why he'd be good for rolling back Obamacare, but I don't think he's that savvy.

You seem to be insinuating that your linked article argues the six theses you've nailed to our church door.

[_Buffalo]

I agree. Nothing short of a nationwide single payer plan will suffice.

[_ldsfaqs]

I really wish people would stop calling it "Romneycare'.....

First, it wasn't the plan he wanted.
He was vetoed on several points which make the plan become too BAD.
Second, he has admitted that he would do some things different.
Third, the Mass plan is nothing like Obamacare, save in a very generic sense, it was a private sector solution to help insure those who didn't have insurance, it wasn't an all encompassing plan like Obamacare.
Fourth, it was a State Experiment...... That's what states are for, to figure out things for themselves, try things, etc.
Fifth, this experiment was actually a good thing, because it gave Romney experience in what not to do, and what would work better. This is actually the best thing about Romney, and why he should be President over any other. He's actually made mistakes, he's actually learned, he has experience and excellent knowledge in all the areas this country needs fixing, from Healthcare, to business, to International business, why company's leave, close, etc.

None of the above facts are an indictment against Romney.
It saddens me when I see Christians be anti-mormon when they should know better, and it saddens me when Conservatives act like liberals bearing false witness of other conservatives when they should know better.

[_Drifting]

Romneycare faces financial meltdown - At some point you run out of other people's money to spend on your promises

Just as I predicted and as anyone who might know basic economics could have as well, universal healthcare causes:

Job loss.
Rising healthcare costs.
Healthcare queues.
Reduced supply of healthcare.
Reduced quality of healthcare.
Everyone eventually gets moved to subsidy.

Romney could actually use this to say he's learned his lesson and why he'd be good for rolling back Obamacare, but I don't think he's that savvy.

In the UK we have a system called 'the National Health System'. In short, it's funded via income tax and provides healthcare cover for all UK citizens. It's not perfect, but it works.
Is this type of the system that Romney is moving towards?

[_moksha]

What are they gonna do? Anytime you take a good idea and allow the opportunity for huge profits on the part of the health care middle men, then the results will be costly and inefficient. That is much like we have right now, although in the other plans everyone is covered.

In Japan, the citizens utilize hospital services seven times more than the US, but their total costs are 2/3 of what we pay without everybody being covered. To achieve this expanded service and coverage, the Japanese have to control every facet of the health care delivery system, thus not allowing any billions of profit to be skimmed by from the purpose of the health system. Where is the fun in that? Those Leftists want to push all the sharks into the ocean!!!

[_Kevin Graham]

In the UK we have a system called 'the National Health System'. In short, it's funded via income tax and provides healthcare cover for all UK citizens. It's not perfect, but it works.
Is this type of the system that Romney is moving towards?

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You're talking to a guy who thinks anything WND says has credibility. BCS isn't a serious thinker on these issues.

Yes, I agree with you. Universal healthcare systems work all the time in a wide variety of places. Japan has a good one. The only people smacking them down are those who have no experience with them.

Of course, BCS will say he knows better because Limbaugh, NewsMax, WND and FOX News tell him otherwise. Those funded by the those who profit most off of our current system, which sucks.

I was misdiagnosed with the flu last Sunday. Supposed to be a good private doctor, one that my family members have been using for years. I have my own insurance so I thought I was fortunate. He said the test for flu was negative, but then decided to prescribe me Tamiflu anyway, because in his opinion, it was a "false-negative" result. So guess what I paid for this little packet of 10 pills? With insurance, I still paid $80. I then find out that Tamiflu doesn't really get rid of the flu, it only helps cut the recovery period by a day or two. But the doctor wanted me to go get it because he get's commission on it when he gets his patients to buy it. So a week later I'm still fevering and my coughs are deeper and more disturbing. Why? Because I never had the flu to begin with! So because a doctor was more interested in making more profit than he was actually helping my suffering, I burned $100 in co-pay + prescription and God only know how much he charged by insurance company for the visit. It is crap like this that causes health care costs to skyrocket. That's how capitalism works.

So we called our good friend in Brasil because he was our doctor for years. He recommended antibiotics because he believes I have pneumonia. I started taking antibiotics last night and already feel better.

Best health care in the world huh? Not when those in charge are only in it for profit.

[_bcspace]

In the UK we have a system called 'the National Health System'. In short, it's funded via income tax and provides healthcare cover for all UK citizens. It's not perfect, but it works. Is this type of the system that Romney is moving towards?

Yes. But it's not all roses and sunshine as you portray. It doesn't work and the reason it doesn't is because it becomes more and more expensive every year in spectacular fashion. I suppose even a black hole like that could "work" if you throw enough wealth at it. Note also that private insurance has become legal again in the UK and it's becoming more popular. And they also have rotating postal codes now in which people living in selected codes go without certain benefits for a period of time.

Any serious student of economics knows this and could have predicted it, not to mention graduates of Econ 101.

I really wish people would stop calling it "Romneycare'.....

Romney was the one who pushed for an individual mandate. To his credit, he vetoed the (initial) $295 employer assessment which was immediately overridden. But he was the one who opened the door in the same sense that Cain's 9-9-9 plan would have created a new tax with no restrictions to keep it at nine percent.

What this shows is that Romney is a weak conservative at best because there are much better solutions to the problem than Gore (Tenn Care)/Hillary/Romney/Obama care. Of course he would be far better than Obama like any Republican would and I believe him when he says he will do all in his power to eliminate Obamacare and that would indeed go a long way towards improving his conservative credentials. If he is on the GOP ticket, I will vote for him, no question.

[_DaKing]

In the UK we have a system called 'the National Health System'. In short, it's funded via income tax and provides healthcare cover for all UK citizens. It's not perfect, but it works.
Is this type of the system that Romney is moving towards?

You're talking to a guy who thinks anything WND says has credibility. BCS isn't a serious thinker on these issues.

Yes, I agree with you. Universal healthcare systems work all the time in a wide variety of places. Japan has a good one. The only people smacking them down are those who have no experience with them.

Of course, BCS will say he knows better because Limbaugh, NewsMax, WND and FOX News tell him otherwise. Those funded by the those who profit most off of our current system, which sucks.

I was misdiagnosed with the flu last Sunday. Supposed to be a good private doctor, one that my family members have been using for years. I have my own insurance so I thought I was fortunate. He said the test for flu was negative, but then decided to prescribe me Tamiflu anyway, because in his opinion, it was a "false-negative" result. So guess what I paid for this little packet of 10 pills? With insurance, I still paid $80. I then find out that Tamiflu doesn't really get rid of the flu, it only helps cut the recovery period by a day or two. But the doctor wanted me to go get it because he get's commission on it when he gets his patients to buy it. So a week later I'm still fevering and my coughs are deeper and more disturbing. Why? Because I never had the flu to begin with! So because a doctor was more interested in making more profit than he was actually helping my suffering, I burned $100 in co-pay + prescription and God only know how much he charged by insurance company for the visit. It is s*** like this that causes health care costs to skyrocket. That's how capitalism works.

So we called our good friend in Brasil because he was our doctor for years. He recommended antibiotics because he believes I have pneumonia. I started taking antibiotics last night and already feel better.

Best health care in the world huh? Not when those in charge are only in it for profit.[/quote]

+100
The elephant in the room that republicans don't want to acknowledge is that people without insurance just end up clogging up emergency rooms and not paying which causes the public to help bail out these hospitals because they can't turn people away. So we have city hospitals operating in the red. Right now in Vegas our university hospital UMC always is in debt to the tune of 20 to 40 million almost every year because they end up treating all of the non insured

[_Brackite]

The main difference between 'Romneycare' and 'Obamacare' is that 'Romneycare' was done on a State level while 'Obamacare' was done on a Federal level. I believe that the individual mandate in Obamacare on a Federal level is Unconstitutional, and I believe that the Supreme Court will strike down the individual mandate in the 'Obamacare' law.
Here is the Tenth Amendment to the Bill of Rights, From the United States Constitution:

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.