Bishop resigns from church

[_consiglieri]

And neither do you. But you can feel good in coming to the aid of just me because I said that she should speak up in class and not remain quiet. And don't worry you don't need to take your friends to task when they call me a creep, pervert, light cotton, moron etc.

Maybe we could have a drink together and talk it over if you would come down from that cross for a few minutes.

[_why me]

And neither do you. But you can feel good in coming to the aid of just me because I said that she should speak up in class and not remain quiet. And don't worry you don't need to take your friends to task when they call me a creep, pervert, light cotton, moron etc.

Maybe we could have a drink together and talk it over if you would come down from that cross for a few minutes.

Actually, I don't take it all too seriously especially what is said about me. I know that most of the people on this forum would be nice people to meet and have a chat with. So, I have no cross to come down from. And I know that you are a good guy.

On this board one must have a thick skin. No question about it and my skin is pretty thick.

[_consiglieri]

On this board one must have a thick skin. No question about it and my skin is pretty thick.

It matches your head.

Merry Christmas, just the same.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

[_Yoda]

Someday, maybe you will tell us the story of your father and how his life was spared.

My father was born into the Anglican faith, but when he was 14, he nearly died of a very serious illness. Apparently, some Catholic friends and relatives prayed on his behalf, and he knew about this, and eventually recovered. So he left the faith of his Mother, who was Anglican, because he really believed that the prayers of his Catholic friends saved his life.

In an ironic twist, perhaps, his eldest son, the brother whom I never met, died of rheumatic fever in 1948, at the age of 16. I was born six years later.

My father was always what I'd call a "man of faith", and always said his rosary, even after the loss of his most precious son. My mother was never a church goer, but had a firm and unwavering belief in God. It was through her that I think I acquired this faith, and she always taught me, "never doubt God", and his ability to answer prayers. She was comforted by this at the worst moment of her life, and she passed this experience on to me when I was a child, and I'll never forget it.

What a beautiful outlook of faith that stretches beyond a particular organized religion. Thanks for sharing this, Ray. It sounds like you had awesome parents. No wonder you are such a good man.

[_Yoda]

I doubt I am the only one who finds contemptible your practice of dredging up personal disclosures made on this board and then using them to berate the poster while offering up your customary steaming piles of unsolicited advice.

You owe just me an apology.

Really? You do know that such a practice of dredging up personal disclosures on this board about my past posts is a national past time of this board? How often do I get the light cotton remark? How often do I get the catholic, Mormon remark? How often do I get the inactive Mormon remark? How often am I called a creep?

Do I thank you for coming to my defense? Or is your chivary only directed toward women and for those who may share your ideas? Here is the point: this board mocks and name calls all defenders of the LDS church. Perhaps you are an exception but perhaps not a fair exception. Such is the way it is on this board.

But of course you remain silent about this dredging up of my past disclosures. You owe me an apology for letting such posts slide by.

How does the fact that others have drudged up past posts of yours justify you berating Just Me? If you want to be a defender of the faith, then act like one. Be the example you wish to set.

And your light cotton remarks are not trolling me? I respond to many people on this board, not just to just me. And as a feminist, I am surprised that you also do not encouarge women to speak up more. To be silent is not a trait of feminism. Have you noticed? And it certainly isn't a trait of marxism.

I don't recall Just Me saying that she sat silent. Even if she did, you don't know the circumstances of the situation in her class because you weren't there. Sometimes it is appropriate to make comments. Other times, it is not. It is her business whether or not she chooses to comment, not yours. Maybe there were converts in the class who she was afraid of offending.

Also, simply because she mentions a topic from her class here does not mean that she is "whining", or that she is downing the Church. This is a Mormon discussion board. We discuss Mormonism here.

And, frankly, someone like Just Me, who is an active, tithe-paying, calling-holding member, has every right to address issues that she may or may not agree with concerning the Church.

You, however, who by your own admission, attend sporadically, and hold no calling, are the last person who should be chastising someone else for merely initiating a discussion.

[_annie]

Just wanted to say that I know Bishop Bloor and that he has not resigned from the church. He resigned from his calling as Bishop because he didn't feel that he could in good conscience continue to be a priesthood leader when his testimony was in shreds. He wrote to the congregation to explain why he had resigned as Bishop which was probably necessary as the stake presidency released him without calling a new Bishop - perhaps some of you can imagine the kinds of rumors that such an occurrence might cause?

Steve posted a copy of the letter that he sent to the congregation on his blog and was he was told to take it down or face discipline. He took it down because excommunication would have upset his family.

Now, a year later, his family have had some time to get used to his faith transition and he has decided to make his blog public again. I suspect that he may be disciplined for doing so, but he feels able to deal with it now. That's all. It's not the way I would do things, but I don't believe Steve should be dismissed as an attention-seeker for deciding to do things in his own way. He's a sincere, good man and I wish him well.

[_why me]

Now, a year later, his family have had some time to get used to his faith transition and he has decided to make his blog public again. I suspect that he may be disciplined for doing so, but he feels able to deal with it now. That's all. It's not the way I would do things, but I don't believe Steve should be dismissed as an attention-seeker for deciding to do things in his own way. He's a sincere, good man and I wish him well.

The only reason for for him to bring up his resignation as bishop again is to get the sympathetic reaction that he desired. And this is what is happening. He also received some attention for it as he did a year ago. I am sure that he is a sincere and a great guy. But to post his letter again after one year is redundant.

Although he did not resign from the church even though he doesn't believe in it anymore can be typical of a person who wishes to be excommunicated and become a living martyr and a postmormon poster person. And this may happen if he is excommunicated.

If the local LDS church were smart they would put him on probation or do nothing about his letter. To excommunicate him would give him the martyr reputation that he may be craving. Best to let him alone and hope that he resigns on his own since he no longer believes in the LDS church.

[_Hades]

The only reason for for him to bring up his resignation as bishop again is to get the sympathetic reaction that he desired. And this is what is happening. He also received some attention for it as he did a year ago. I am sure that he is a sincere and a great guy. But to post his letter again after one year is redundant.

Although he did not resign from the church even though he doesn't believe in it anymore can be typical of a person who wishes to be excommunicated and become a living martyr and a postmormon poster person. And this may happen if he is excommunicated.

If the local LDS church were smart they would put him on probation or do nothing about his letter. To excommunicate him would give him the martyr reputation that he may be craving. Best to let him alone and hope that he resigns on his own since he no longer believes in the LDS church.

I applaud him for being courageous and noble.

[_cafe crema]

Now, a year later, his family have had some time to get used to his faith transition and he has decided to make his blog public again. I suspect that he may be disciplined for doing so, but he feels able to deal with it now. That's all. It's not the way I would do things, but I don't believe Steve should be dismissed as an attention-seeker for deciding to do things in his own way. He's a sincere, good man and I wish him well.

The only reason for for him to bring up his resignation as bishop again is to get the sympathetic reaction that he desired. And this is what is happening. He also received some attention for it as he did a year ago. I am sure that he is a sincere and a great guy. But to post his letter again after one year is redundant.

Although he did not resign from the church even though he doesn't believe in it anymore can be typical of a person who wishes to be excommunicated and become a living martyr and a postmormon poster person. And this may happen if he is excommunicated.

If the local LDS church were smart they would put him on probation or do nothing about his letter. To excommunicate him would give him the martyr reputation that he may be craving. Best to let him alone and hope that he resigns on his own since he no longer believes in the LDS church.

It's obvious he posted the letter to head off any gossip about why he was released as a bishop. He was given an ultimatum about the letter take it down or face discipline, for family reasons he choose to take it down. In putting it back up it shows not redundancy but a continuing need to address gossip. The only entity showing poor behavior is the church in threatening the man for what he posts on his blog, what business is it of theirs what he writes about on his blog, the fascists!

[_Yoda]

Just wanted to say that I know Bishop Bloor and that he has not resigned from the church. He resigned from his calling as Bishop because he didn't feel that he could in good conscience continue to be a priesthood leader when his testimony was in shreds. He wrote to the congregation to explain why he had resigned as Bishop which was probably necessary as the stake presidency released him without calling a new Bishop - perhaps some of you can imagine the kinds of rumors that such an occurrence might cause?

Steve posted a copy of the letter that he sent to the congregation on his blog and was he was told to take it down or face discipline. He took it down because excommunication would have upset his family.

Now, a year later, his family have had some time to get used to his faith transition and he has decided to make his blog public again. I suspect that he may be disciplined for doing so, but he feels able to deal with it now. That's all. It's not the way I would do things, but I don't believe Steve should be dismissed as an attention-seeker for deciding to do things in his own way. He's a sincere, good man and I wish him well.

Annie, welcome to the board! :-)

Thank you for sharing your insight regarding Bishop Bloor.

He sounds like a very good man. He also sounds like he was a wonderful bishop. I am sure that your ward has had a hard time adjusting to his lack of leadership. It is obvious that he was well-loved and respected.

Please continue posting with us! And, I hope that you and your family continue to enjoy a Happy Holiday season!

And, Why Me, I notice that you are still on your lovely little high horse.

You managed to ignore some of my questions and insights from the previous page of the thread, so I will repeat them here:

How does the fact that others have drudged up past posts of yours justify you berating Just Me? If you want to be a defender of the faith, then act like one. Be the example you wish to set.

And your light cotton remarks are not trolling me? I respond to many people on this board, not just to just me. And as a feminist, I am surprised that you also do not encouarge women to speak up more. To be silent is not a trait of feminism. Have you noticed? And it certainly isn't a trait of marxism.

I don't recall Just Me saying that she sat silent. Even if she did, you don't know the circumstances of the situation in her class because you weren't there. Sometimes it is appropriate to make comments. Other times, it is not. It is her business whether or not she chooses to comment, not yours. Maybe there were converts in the class who she was afraid of offending.

Also, simply because she mentions a topic from her class here does not mean that she is "whining", or that she is downing the Church. This is a Mormon discussion board. We discuss Mormonism here.

And, frankly, someone like Just Me, who is an active, tithe-paying, calling-holding member, has every right to address issues that she may or may not agree with concerning the Church.

You, however, who by your own admission, attend sporadically, and hold no calling, are the last person who should be chastising someone else for merely initiating a discussion.

Care to comment?