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i found the video to be well produced and touching too. too often members and curious people alike lose sense of what it means to be human: to feel and to embrace our limited natures. the video is not meant to be a scientific documentary. that would pervert what religion is really all about. i am pleased in general.
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Lizard Jew wrote:i found the video to be well produced and touching too. too often members and curious people alike lose sense of what it means to be human: to feel and to embrace our limited natures. the video is not meant to be a scientific documentary. that would pervert what religion is really all about. i am pleased in general.


It is well done for what it's trying to accomplish--reaching out to the faithful. But it's purpose was not to critically deal with Book of Abraham issues. If you come at it from that vantage point you will encounter some serious weaknesses. And I'm not so sure summarily dismissing critical views (as is done in the video) is what religion is all about either.
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sanjara wrote:
Lizard Jew wrote:i found the video to be well produced and touching too. too often members and curious people alike lose sense of what it means to be human: to feel and to embrace our limited natures. the video is not meant to be a scientific documentary. that would pervert what religion is really all about. i am pleased in general.


It is well done for what it's trying to accomplish--reaching out to the faithful. But it's purpose was not to critically deal with Book of Abraham issues. If you come at it from that vantage point you will encounter some serious weaknesses. And I'm not so sure summarily dismissing critical views (as is done in the video) is what religion is all about either.

i think you get it. should we criticize moby dick for it's historical problems?

no, we don't and it is silly to try.

the video is a spiritual peace, the only way a testimony is created and saved.
john 3:16 is overused.
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Lizard Jew wrote:
sanjara wrote:
It is well done for what it's trying to accomplish--reaching out to the faithful. But it's purpose was not to critically deal with Book of Abraham issues. If you come at it from that vantage point you will encounter some serious weaknesses. And I'm not so sure summarily dismissing critical views (as is done in the video) is what religion is all about either.

i think you get it. should we criticize moby dick for it's historical problems?

no, we don't and it is silly to try.

the video is a spiritual peace, the only way a testimony is created and saved.


You're right, LJ. Moby Dick and The Book of Abraham are both works of fiction and should be held to the same standard.
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i think you get it. should we criticize moby dick for it's historical problems?

no, we don't and it is silly to try.

the video is a spiritual peace, the only way a testimony is created and saved.


What is supposedly so "spiritual" about a LIE? I mean, since your subjective "testimony" is in support of an objectively proven and easily observable LIE ...you have obviously been deceived. The FACT is, the original papyrus contains NOTHING that pertains to the content of Smith's alleged "translation" into the so-called "Book of Abraham". Every qualified Egyptologist who has ever published on the matter (including both LDS Egyptologists) has clearly identified the Book of Abraham's source document as just another copy of the usual "breathing permit" required by the Egyptian mythological religion.

Please explain why the Egyptians burried people with a copy of the "Book of Abraham" instead of the doucments required by their own pagan beliefs.

-BH

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i think you get it. should we criticize moby dick for it's historical problems?

no, we don't and it is silly to try.

the video is a spiritual peace, the only way a testimony is created and saved.


It defies reason to equate the Book of Abraham with Moby Dick. But we do agree that the purpose of the video is to build faith and testimony. This puts the video squarely within a subjective framework.
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You're right, LJ. Moby Dick and The Book of Abraham are both works of fiction and should be held to the same standard.


you missed the point but that's okay. the video isn't there as a scientific thing. its there to boost the faith, the spirit, and the testimonies of the membership.

that's why i used moby dick in my example there. you see.
john 3:16 is overused.
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sanjara wrote:
i think you get it. should we criticize moby dick for it's historical problems?

no, we don't and it is silly to try.

the video is a spiritual peace, the only way a testimony is created and saved.


It defies reason to equate the Book of Abraham with Moby Dick. But we do agree that the purpose of the video is to build faith and testimony. This puts the video squarely within a subjective framework.

i wasn't equating, but showing what you eventually came to see.
john 3:16 is overused.
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Lizard Jew wrote:you missed the point but that's okay. the video isn't there as a scientific thing. its there to boost the faith, the spirit, and the testimonies of the membership...


...by lying to them about the Book of Abraham.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.

B.R. McConkie, © Intellectual Reserve wrote:There are those who say that revealed religion and organic evolution can be harmonized. This is both false and devilish.
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Buffalo wrote:
Lizard Jew wrote:you missed the point but that's okay. the video isn't there as a scientific thing. its there to boost the faith, the spirit, and the testimonies of the membership...


...by lying to them about the Book of Abraham.

no. and that was a low and poorly aimed blow.
john 3:16 is overused.
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