Morley wrote:Wow, Zelder. That Brigham Young quotation is veritably dripping with the milk of human kindness.
Of course it's not dripping with kindness but it's an important part of the story.
Morley wrote:Wow, Zelder. That Brigham Young quotation is veritably dripping with the milk of human kindness.
cinepro wrote:Apologists and regular members often misrepresent Elder McConkie's statement:
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Morley wrote:Zelder wrote:That is true but for a fair and balanced view I add this:
When BY was asked by Horace Greeley if Utah would be a slave state of free state he said this
No; she will be a Free State. Slavery here would prove useless and unprofitable. I regard it generally as a curse to the masters. I myself hire many laborers and pay them fair wages; I could not afford to own them. I can do better than subject myself to an obligation to feed and clothe their families, to provide and care for them, in sickness and health. Utah is not adapted to Slave Labor.
http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/ser ... 131859.htm
Wow, Zelder. That Brigham Young quotation is veritably dripping with the milk of human kindness.
Morley wrote:Zelder wrote:
That is true but for a fair and balanced view I add this:
When BY was asked by Horace Greeley if Utah would be a slave state of free state he said this
No; she will be a Free State. Slavery here would prove useless and unprofitable. I regard it generally as a curse to the masters. I myself hire many laborers and pay them fair wages; I could not afford to own them. I can do better than subject myself to an obligation to feed and clothe their families, to provide and care for them, in sickness and health. Utah is not adapted to Slave Labor.
http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/ser ... 131859.htm
Wow. That Brigham Young quotation is veritably dripping with the milk of human kindness.
"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind....Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings. This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 290).
"In our first settlement in Missouri, it was said by our enemies that we intended to tamper with the slaves, not that we had any idea of the kind, for such a thing never entered our minds. We knew that the children of Ham were to be the "servant of servants," and no power under heaven could hinder it, so long as the Lord would permit them to welter under the curse and those were known to be our religious views concerning them." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p. 172).
"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 10, p. 110).
Lizard Jew wrote:
examples abound!
think early oppasition to slavery, early black elders, and the 2nd earliest women suffrage in the usa.
even now the church favors laws protecting gays and lesbiens in work and living.
why me wrote:One reason for the missourians to persecute the Mormons was because the LDS church was against slavery. They did not want an antislavery pressence in their neighborhood.
And Joseph Smith ran as an abolitionist for president.
As outlined in "A Declaration of Belief regarding Governments and Laws in General "approved
by a general assembly of the Church 17 Aug. 1835 which stated in part, "We do not believe it right
to interfere with bond-servants ... to meddle with or influence them in the least to cause them to
be dissatisfied with their situations in this life ... such interference we believe to be unlawful and
unjust, and dangerous to the peace of every government allowing human beings to be held in
servitude." This declaration was included as part of the Doctrine and Covenants (ultimately section
134:12); which was canonized in 1835.
Buffalo wrote:Fence Sitter wrote:What color do faithful members believe the skin of a faithful black person will be when he/she is resurrected?
I always heard they'd be white in the resurrection. That was in the 80s. By the time I was a teenager it seems we stopped talking about black people in the church, or at least talked about them much less.
angsty wrote:... Apparently, sometimes BY gave the impression that he was opposed to slavery. But he didn't follow through with any discernible anti-slavery legislation....
Jaybear wrote:Speaking of selective memory, Zelder forgot about the part of the interview where Young stated that it was the official position of the LDS Church that slavery was a "divine institution."
Jaybear wrote:That Zelder, is the most relevant part of the story. Not that Young was unwilling to pay his laboring a living wage.
why me wrote:Lizard Jew wrote:
examples abound!
think early oppasition to slavery, early black elders, and the 2nd earliest women suffrage in the usa.
even now the church favors laws protecting gays and lesbiens in work and living.
One reason for the missourians to persecute the Mormons was because the LDS church was against slavery. They did not want an antislavery pressence in their neighborhood.
And Joseph Smith ran as an abolitionist for president.
why me wrote:
One reason for the missourians to persecute the Mormons was because the LDS church was against slavery. They did not want an antislavery pressence in their neighborhood.
And Joseph Smith ran as an abolitionist for president.