Are Mormons plain belly sneetches of the Republican party

[_bcspace]

Yes, I think they may have wasted an opportunity. But not all Republicans are truly conservative and Republicans tend to be independent to the point of disorganization. by the way, the Church itself is not completely opposed to abortion and considers some extremely rare circumstances to be potentially valid reasons.

If you ask me, the issue is merely a talking point and whenever the R's bring up that they would make things different, I say, "Yeah right, sure you would. Just like back when you had control."

It's a valid point. But like I question the purity of Mormons with regards to doctrine and practice, I also question Republicans as to the purity of their conservatism.

Well, since believing Mormons can't be good Democrats ...

That is only true if the conservative Mormons admit their politics are a stronger motivator than their religion and thus make conservatism their litmus test of fidelity.

Incorrect. One's politics are an outward sign of one's inward philosophy which is shaped by one's religion or lack thereof.

Seriously, do you want to require the bulk of LDS membership to align themselves with a party that not in their own best economic interest, just so the richest Mormons can achieve their eternal goal of paying no taxes?

Of course not. But no such party exists. I merely recommend Republican because their positions are not in conflict with LDS doctrine and they stand the best chance of defeating the Democrats who are in opposition to the gospel of Jesus Christ in virtually every conceivable way.

[_DarkHelmet]

So what are we going to do about Marlin K. Jensen? Why do you think he has not been excommunicated, or at the very least, relieved of his GA duties? His is obviously unrepentant in his democrat beliefs.

What has he said recently (since 1998) and is he in my jurisdiction for TR? Who does he vote for now? As for why he and others have not been ex'd, it is as I said earlier in this thread; the Church is allowing the wheat to grow up with the tares.

by the way, MKJ did say this in an interview about 2006 If I recall correctly:

What is the official position of the church on homosexuality?

Our position on that is that there is a single standard actually of morality for all members of the church, and that essentially is that we abstain from all sexual relationships and sexual relations prior to marriage. Once we do marry, we are loyal, completely loyal, to our marital partner, and that the only marriage sanctioned by God is of a man to a woman. As Paul said, "Neither is a man without the woman nor the woman without the man in the Lord." So there is really no allowance within our doctrine for a homosexual relationship of woman to woman or man to man.

Perhaps the question you should be asking is if MKJ is a good Democrat as this is in opposition to their platform......lol

The Democratic party allows card carrying democrats to disagree on some issues, unlike the Mormon church. MKJ will not lose his Democrat party card for opposing gay marriage, but you believe he should lose his TR for being a Democrat.

[_bcspace]

The Democratic party allows card carrying democrats to disagree on some issues,

Sure. But the direction they've, the platform they have, the type of the political spectrum they attract and shop for is contrary to the gospel of Jesus Christ.

unlike the Mormon church.

A sign that a church is not of God is that it allows the membership to drive the doctrine.

MKJ will not lose his Democrat party card for opposing gay marriage,

Sure he will. If he were politically active and didn't ow the party line, there would be less money coming his constituent's way unless he succumbs to the arm twisting which most, if not all of them do.

but you believe he should lose his TR for being a Democrat.

I believe anyone should lose their TR for opposition and unbelief of critical or foundational doctrines. Being a Democrat is one of the key signs of that and perhaps even automatic evidence of it as per the Romans 1:32 principle.

[_Wisdom Seeker]

I have always had the impression that when they mentioned political neutrality in church there was always a little wink-wink, nod-nod going on, for we all knew that only good Mormons were and are conservative and Republican. Since then I have met good LDS people who are also politically liberal. I think these people could do more to save the church than those who continue to live too far to the right..

[_EAllusion]

The Democratic party collectively still opposes gay marriage. That'll change in the near future as there is a comfortable majority of supporters of gay marriage in the rank and file, but right now your election choice is going to come down to two guys who oppose gay marriage.

[_sanjara]

I believe anyone should lose their TR for opposition and unbelief of critical or foundational doctrines. Being a Democrat is one of the key signs of that and perhaps even automatic evidence of it as per the Romans 1:32 principle.

Obviously, and thankfully, most LDS members and their leaders do not subscribe to your brand of politics. You cite Romans 1:32, which says "Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things [what? be a democrat?] are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them." You are a very strange duck indeed to think that your narrow view of things is even remotely true.

[_LDSToronto]

I believe anyone should lose their TR for opposition and unbelief of critical or foundational doctrines. Being a Democrat is one of the key signs of that and perhaps even automatic evidence of it as per the Romans 1:32 principle.

I sustain BCSpace as Prophet, Seer, and Revelator.

H.

[_Buffalo]

Who said gay marriage had anything to do with intelligence and compassion? There is nothing preventing gays from marrying in any state by the way.

Sir, you make my point for me better than I could. Here's hoping the church is left only with people like you very soon.

And you make my point by being unable to answer the question.

Your second sentence really answered your first question. It demonstrated a marked lack of both compassion and intelligence, thereby answering your first question.

[_Buffalo]

Sure. But the direction they've, the platform they have, the type of the political spectrum they attract and shop for is contrary to the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Let's be clear - Jesus' gospel was populist - fiscally liberal but socially conservative. I think we all understand that when you say "the gospel of Jesus Christ" it's a euphemism for "the gospel of Skousen/Benson/Birch/etc."

[_DarkHelmet]

I have always had the impression that when they mentioned political neutrality in church there was always a little wink-wink, nod-nod going on, for we all knew that only good Mormons were and are conservative and Republican. Since then I have met good LDS people who are also politically liberal. I think these people could do more to save the church than those who continue to live too far to the right..

After looking around on google, and talking to Mormons, I think I am starting to agree with BC Space. Although you can be a good Mormon and be a democrat, you will need to keep quiet about politics. Mormons may state publicly that they are not aligned with any political party, but the truth is they are. You do need to be politically conservative to be considered a good Mormon. The missionaries will never say so, and the leaders will never admit it to the public because of milk before meat. But once you become involved in the Mormon church you learn very quickly that you must be politically conservative to be considered a good Mormon. Guys like Marlin K. Jensen are token Democrats to "prove" the church is politically neutral, but it's like having a black kid on the cover of The Friend to prove the church is diverse. It does make you wonder how other socially conservative groups like the Catholics and Jews can have political diversity among their followers. I guess that proves the great apostacy.