The New For Strength Of Youth Pamplet

[_Runtu]

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. If you decide to bring up the whole subject in the first place, you are faced with that difficult decision of what to actually say. I remember looking up some naughty words in the dictionary during a break in the Elementary school library. Kids will be kids with definitions in the FSoY pamphlet too, I suppose.

I never could quite picture Mormon kids using FSOY as some sort of quasi-pornography. Can you imagine someone wanking to "Before marriage, do not participate in passionate kissing, lie on top of another person, or touch the private, sacred parts of another person’s body, with or without clothing"? Oh, baby!

Now, back to my raspberry chiffon pie! Very challenging!

Now that sounds lovely. Tonight, I'm making our Scottish ancestors' carrot pudding with lemon sauce. It's not difficult, but it is good.

[_Runtu]

And that makes sense. Much better for each boy and girl to go by the spirit and not by your groups definitions.

I think you missed the point. The definitions are in the curriculum manuals, so there's no "going by the spirit." The secretary to the 12 told us that BKP wanted the definitions in the manuals so there would be clear instructions, but having them in the pamphlet was inviting trouble. "Boys aren't going to be carrying manuals around in their pockets," he was quoted as saying.

Here's the relevant part of the Young Women 2 manual:

Sometimes young people do not understand the specific definitions of words they hear describing immorality. If questions arise during the discussion, you may want to use the following definitions given by President Spencer W. Kimball.

Masturbation: To sexually stimulate oneself. “Masturbation … is not approved of the Lord nor of his Church, regardless of what may be said by others whose ‘norms’ are lower” (Spencer W. Kimball, President Kimball Speaks Out [Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1981], p. 10).

Homosexuality: “‘Sexual desire for those of the same sex or sexual relations between individuals of the same sex,’ whether men or women” (Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness [Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1969], p. 78).

Adultery: Sexual intercourse with someone other than one’s own lawful husband or wife.

Fornication: Sexual intercourse by the unmarried (see President Kimball Speaks Out, pp. 10, 12).

Necking: Passionate kissing and intimate contact (see President Kimball Speaks Out, p. 8).

Petting: “Fondling of the private parts of the body for the purpose of sexual arousal” (President Kimball Speaks Out, p. 8).

These are the same definitions that were originally in FSOY.

[_Lizard Jew]

The new pamplet has omitted any reference to masturbation. They are making progress.

https://LDS.org/bc/content/shared/conte ... f?lang=eng

It says do not arouse sexual emotions in your own body. Mehh, that's fine. In those adolescent years you don't need to try and arouse those feelings, they come all on their own and they need to be released and there is nothing wrong with that.

since masterbating arouses sexual emotions (which have no place in an unmarried) it is indeed forbidden.

[_Buffalo]

Times are changing. And sexual immorality is growing and is common place. It is all over the television and in the media. And so is the advice that it is okay to masturbate as frequently as one wants. The LDS church has a difficult time fighting the media and its message. Not to mention that advice that is given in schools.

So, we have vague concepts such as sexual arousal. Teenagers are discovering their sexuality. They are noticing their attractions. What the church teaches is simple: it is natural to be attracted to the other sex. It is normal. But the problem starts when one just concentrates on sexual arousal. Attraction and sexual arousal do not necessarily need to walk hand in hand.

Is your keyboard sticky?

[_LDSToronto]

When we asked about it, the secretary to the 12 said, "We don't want boys and girls carrying definitions of sexual sins in their wallets."

Nope, they need to make room for condoms!

H.

[_harmony]

And sexual immorality is growing and is common place. It is all over the television and in the media. And so is the advice that it is okay to masturbate as frequently as one wants.

Really? Which tv show is that? Because I've yet to see common place reference to masturbation in any media.

[_Buffalo]

The new pamplet has omitted any reference to masturbation. They are making progress.

https://LDS.org/bc/content/shared/conte ... f?lang=eng

It says do not arouse sexual emotions in your own body. Mehh, that's fine. In those adolescent years you don't need to try and arouse those feelings, they come all on their own and they need to be released and there is nothing wrong with that.

since masterbating arouses sexual emotions (which have no place in an unmarried) it is indeed forbidden.

Until the 1950s or so, the church had no policy on masturbation. Nor is there any commentary in the four standard works on masturbation. Why do you suppose that is?

[_Runtu]

since masterbating arouses sexual emotions (which have no place in an unmarried) it is indeed forbidden.

Sexual emotions (I'm thinking you mean sexual desire) have no place in an unmarried person? How exactly does one shut out normal human desires? That would be like trying to suppress the desire to eat or urinate.

[_harmony]

That would be like trying to suppress the desire to eat or urinate.

There's probably a quote from Pres Kimball about how horrible those are too!

[_harmony]

since masterbating arouses sexual emotions (which have no place in an unmarried) it is indeed forbidden.

If this was really true, no one would ever get married.