What is the history of masterbation?

[_harmony]

You're going to conflate "masturbation" -- which is a voluntary, safe, and pleasurable form of sexual expression -- with non-consensual rape -- a dangerous, horrible sexual activity that violates the rights of the rape victim?

What the f*** is wrong with you?

Rape is not about sex. Rape is about power.

[_Buffalo]

Almost everybody throughout all time and across all cultures has masterbated. It is and always has been a ubiquitous human behavior. Despite this fact, it seems to me that nobody paid it any attention to masturbation until the midieval Catholics misinterpreted the story of Onin, thinking that the crime was the spilling on the ground rather than disobeying the command to have a child.

masturbation is such a big deal that we think it is necessary to confess it to a bishop. Why? Jesus never said a word about it. None of the Bible authors said a word about it. None of the Book of Mormon authors said a word about it. The doctrine and covenants says nothing about it nor the Pearl of Great Price. Joseph Smith never said anything about it. At what point did the church decide it is a sin? Why did they decide it is a sin? There is no scriptural or revelatory foundation for this teaching.

Do they think it leads people to be promiscuous? Where is the logic, if that were true everyone would be promiscuous?

I think masturbation as a sin stems from cultural tradition with its foundation in Catholic views. I'm afraid the church's teachings on masturbation serves no purpose except to make people neurotic. I'm afraid it has done nothing but harm to people and marriages. Its morally wrong to shame people for masterbating. It is especially morally wrong to tell young girls that they should confess their shameful deed alone to a man they probably don't know very well. They grow up feeling neurotic and then get married and realize that she can't have a vaginal orgasm and feel shame to have extra help reaching orgasm.

The masturbation doctrine needs to go the way of the birth control doctrine, sweep it under the rug and forget about it. I'm thinking about complaining to my Stake President about my views. Maybe if lots of Mormons speak up, we can shame the church leaders into shutting up about this subject.

Any thoughts?

replace the word masturbation with something like rape or adultery and you can easily see whats wrong with this way of arguing. the law of chastity is about all kinds of sex.

Replace the word "rape" with "go on a mission" and you can easily see what's wrong with going on a mission.

[_Zelder]

replace the word masturbation with something like rape or adultery and you can easily see whats wrong with this way of arguing. the law of chastity is about all kinds of sex.

I can't believe you said that. Okay lets start from the begining:

Almost everybody throughout all time and across all cultures has committed adultery [fail].
Jesus never said a word about adultery [fail]. None of the Bible authors say a word about adultery [fail]. None of the Book of Mormon authors say a word about adultery [fail]. The Doctrine and Covenants says nothing about it nor the Pearl of Great Price [fail]. Joseph Smith never said anything about it [fail].

I'm sorry Lizard Jew, I'm trying to insert the word adultery and it's just not working out very well. Everbody agrees that adultery is bad for marriages and families. However, outside the church the scientific community agrees that masturbation is healthy for men and women. It prevents prostate problems in men and Women who masturbate are much more likely to enjoy sexual relations in marriage.

You should also take note that the church has now been silent on the subject for 10 years. It appears to be going the way of birth control. It's starting to fade back out of Mormon culture.

You should read this. Seriously.

http://www.mormonstudies.net/pdf/Mormon ... bation.pdf

[_Zelder]

you curse and insult and I'm the troll?

I don't think you are a troll. Your just very caught up in believing everything that any prophet has ever said which usually creats a lot of tension on this board. I'm a believer and I go to church every sunday but I've had to accept that prophets are human and they make mistakes.

Seriously read the article.

[_Lizard Jew]

you curse and insult and I'm the troll?

I don't think you are a troll. Your just very caught up in believing everything that any prophet has ever said which usually creats a lot of tension on this board. I'm a believer and I go to church every sunday but I've had to accept that prophets are human and they make mistakes.

Seriously read the article.

i will read the article.

i think i may have overstated after skimming the op.

stupid, stupid