Lizard Jew wrote:it was the original for the church.
that's why it is in the DC.
that's why the first one isn't.
it wasn't for the rest.
Joseph rattled off the revelation from memory, supposedly having received it many years past. You know, for himself.
I wouldn't take this line of reasoning if I were you. A different standard for leadership vs lay members is one of the hallmarks of... you know, one of the "C" things.
I just asked one : doesn't that seem a little TOO convenient?
here's another, related question: Why does God's plan for Joseph look exactly like Joseph was simply using God as an excuse to have sex? I thought the Lord's ways were not man's ways etc.
Blixa wrote:Such petty judgmentalism is really unbecoming, even in a troll.
Obviously you haven't been in a LDS ward lately.
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
I just asked one : doesn't that seem a little TOO convenient?
here's another, related question: Why does God's plan for Joseph look exactly like Joseph was simply using God as an excuse to have sex? I thought the Lord's ways were not man's ways etc.
are these the real questions?
i mean anyone can read ill intent into anything.
to do so without evidence seems like a causing a problem.
whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty among people?
Blixa wrote:Such petty judgmentalism is really unbecoming, even in a troll.
Obviously you haven't been in a LDS ward lately.
Well, still. Cackling over others's misfortunes is crappy behavior no matter where, when or about whom. It really cuts the moral high ground out from under one pretty completely.
From the Ernest L. Wilkinson Diaries: "ELW dreams he's spattered w/ grease. Hundreds steal his greasy pants."
It is clear that the Prophet Joseph Smith received section 132 before it was recorded but delayed making it known. The Prophet knew the Lord’s will on plural marriage within the new and everlasting covenant probably as early as 1831 (see History of the Church, 5:xxix). In March 1843 he spoke to William Clayton of eternal marriage. In July of that year, he was discussing the doctrine with his brother Hyrum in William Clayton’s presence when Hyrum said, “If you will write the revelation on celestial marriage, I will take it and read it to Emma, and I believe I can convince her of its truth, and you will hereafter have peace” ( History of the Church, 5:xxxii).
The Prophet consented and told William Clayton to get some paper to write; but to his brother’s “urgent request” that the Prophet use the Urim and Thummim to recall the exact revelation, Joseph replied that he did not need it, “for he knew the revelation from beginning to end” ( History of the Church, 5:xxxii). When he had finished dictating, William Clayton read it back slowly, and Joseph said that it was exact.
Note also that D&C 132 was not revealed to the church until a decade after it was written.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
to do so without evidence seems like a causing a problem.
whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty among people?
Many cult leaders have had very convenient revelations giving them sexual access to their followers, as well as money and goods from their followers. Do you give all of them the benefit of the doubt, or just Joseph Smith?
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.