Are ALL Mormons Cowards?

[_BrianH]

Brian,

I am a Mormon. I will fight you.

H.

Okay. Please read the thread in this forum entitled "Elkenah, Libnah, Mahmackrah and Korash ...Really?" and then respond to my challenge posed at the end.

Thank you for stepping up.

-BH

[_LDSToronto]

Brian,

I am a Mormon. I will fight you.

H.

Okay. Please read the thread in this forum entitled "Elkenah, Libnah, Mahmackrah and Korash ...Really?" and then respond to my challenge posed at the end.

Thank you for stepping up.

-BH

OK, will do. Put on your wrestling singlet.

H.

[_BrianH]

BrianH

I believe the Bible. I don't know what an EV is.

An "EV" refers to Evangelical Christian. Whether you are EV or not, is irrelevant. That fact that you claim to believe in the Bible, leads me to conclude that you are Christian. If I have got that wrong, please correct me.

If you are indeed, a Bible believing Christian, you are entirely messed up. I am a Bible believing Christian and by my own admission and conduct on this board, I can be seen as smooth as butter or rough around the edges, depending on what I am coming in contact with.

Given that, I am likely to be harder on you than I would any other type of poster on this board. Harder on my "own kind" if you will, not that I would claim you for a single second.

If you have a Bible available to you in your home or online, I encourage you to go over 1 Corinthians and review the philosophy of the Apostle Paul who if he were to see your words on these threads you've created, would likely put the smack down on you quicker and more succinctly than the Jersey Girl who is posting to you on the screen.

The Apostle Paul knew how to find common ground in order to relate to people. He made himself accessible by his own life and by his teachings. He was responsible for a multitude of new church starts and bringing the Gospel of Christ to the Gentiles.

You might want to take a lesson or two from him.

Your first sentence contained some actual truth: what I am and your opinion of ME is indeed irrelevant to my purpose here.

This is simple: Whether you are a Mormon or not, if you do not want to try to defend the claims of the LDS church, I am not interested in engaging in an exchange with you. Try to understand. I am not here to bother with lame, childish pissing contests such as the one you are trying to start here. You can do that with others if you like. I am here to spark and engage in debates about the claims of Mormonism.

If you want to do that, please do. If not ...I really don't care WHAT you think, least of all what you think about ME.

-BH

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[_BrianH]

You are simply wrong. I mistakenly identified you as a Mormon LAST, not first.

Look, Jersey Girl, try to pay attention: If you are not interested in debating the claims of Mormonism with me, I have no reason to bother with you here whether you are a Mormon or not. You can accuse, complain and whimper all you like. I just plain do not care. Your opinion of me or my "approach" bears no weight with me nor is it even relevant to anything I care about. In fact, I cannot possibly find any way to care any less about what you think about ME.

The simple FACT is, I have observed Mormons fleeing serious challenges to the claims of their religion like a herd of burning kittens. That's just the fact here, Girl. And its easily observed anywhere Mormons are being called upon to defend their beliefs.

If you don't want to debate the claims of Mormonism with me, then just ignore me and get on with whatever is left of your life.

-BH

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[_keithb]

A few points about your post.

First, I think that you'll find that, while many of the posters here are not currently believing members of the Mormon church, most have an extensive history with Mormonism. For example, I was a believer in Mormonism for most of my life, including a two year Mormon mission, married to my first wife in a Mormon temple, etc. It is only recently that I have become disaffected from all religious and supernatural claims, including those of Mormonism. So, while I don't believe the truth claims of the Mormon church any longer (or those of any religion for that matter), I still have a level of respect for the culture, the people, and even some amount of respect for some of the leaders.
Brian,

For someone like you to come in and make sweeping generalizations about and attacks on Mormonism -- without understanding much more about the religion than what other ignorant people have told you -- is not going to make many friends on this board.

Second, there is a clichéd saying that people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. From your posts so far on here, I have inferred that you are of a different religious affiliation, one that believes in the Bible as the word of god/gods and one that thinks it necessary to proselytize Mormons on an internet discussion board because of your view that they're "a cult". Most of the posters could just as easily point out as many, and probably a lot more, difficulties with the Bible as with the Book of Mormon, the Book of Abraham, etc. Indeed, I would argue that Joseph Smith improved some aspects of traditional Protestant theology with his invention of the Mormon religion. If you want to have a conversation about the defects of the Mormon faith, come with a thick skin about your own Protestant(?) faith.

Third, titles such as "Are All Mormons Cowards" are usually not useful to the subject matter at hand. This would be like me going to a Catholic message board and opening a thread by asking, "Are All Priests Pedophiles?". Well, no; and it would take a moron to make that sort of sweeping generalization. I would say that, on the whole, Mormons are probably no more and no less courageous than the rest of the population -- possibly slightly more so because of the level of harassment they face in their observances of their religion from enlightened individuals like yourself.

[Hawkeye]

Would you like to debate me?

Yes or no?

-BH

Sure. I'll debate you. My position: You don't have a clue what the latest scholarship is on the matter, for or against the Book of Abraham.

Please prove me wrong by listing three new contributions to the Book of Abraham debate--contributions that have been made in the the last three years--for and against the Book of Abraham.

For the Book of Abraham
1.
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3.

Against
1.
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3.

Also... please list two works related to the topic that critics/apologists anticipate being published soon. One of each will suffice.

Thanks.

[_zeezrom]

BrainH,

Here is your comment:

The LDS religion stands or falls on the truth of its "scriptures" supposedly revealed by the very "God of Truth", according to the Bible.

Must a religion really stand or fall on the truth claims of its scripture? Why is that? Do we have examples of this in history?

What if a religion remains standing *after* everyone discovers the words in their beloved scripture are not literal? Does that mean your argument above is flawed or the scripture really is true and water really did cover the entire earth after 40 days of rain?

I'm also hoping you decide to apologize for insulting the entire Mormon population. What you said was unfounded and completely unnecessary. It's as if you have learned nothing from our world's history at all.

Zee.

[_Yong Xi]

Once you have proven the supernatural claims of your religion, I will defend Mormonism's supernatural claims.

[_Hades]

Are all evangelicals cowards? They want to come here and talk about the Book of Abraham, but the Bible is off the table for discussion. Hey BrianH let's talk about the global flood.

[_Darth J]

I accept BrianH's challenge. I stand ready to valiantly defend the Restored Gospel. You may start the debate at your leisure.