reasons for leaving the church

[_beastie]

Reason for leaving the church:

It isn't true.

[_Yoda]

Lizard Jew--

I appreciate the fact that you have opened yourself up to wanting honest feedback. It is obvious to me that you love your sister very much.

I am an active member. However, I am, as some would call it, a NOM. I hold a temple recommend, and two callings in my ward. There are issues, however, which I have problems with. I vent about those issues here, and also try to make improvements within my own ward and stake...much like Consig, Jason, and Harmony do.

Welcome to the board, by the way! :-)

I agree with Stak. Take baby steps with her.

Just be her brother. Let her know that you love her, that you will always love her, and that you will be her brother, no matter what.

Trust me. That will mean more to her than anything.

And, it is also in keeping with the true spirit of Christ.

Good luck!

[_sock puppet]

I’d just write her a note that says you love her no matter what and she’ll always be your sister.

Word.

[_sock puppet]

I’d just write her a note that says you love her no matter what and she’ll always be your sister.

if only it was that easy.

she's the kind of person that talks about everything all the time and goes on and on with every thought.

i bet she will say something in apostacy zone.

why did you leave the church?

I left because I found out it is not true. If the unfalsifiable parts were true, then the organization would not need to hide the historical truth about the problems of early Mormonism. COJCOLDS distorts that history and whitewashes. COJCOLDS is, as an institution, a liar. You've heard of corporate crimes, well, what we have here is a corporate liar.

Then there are the improbabilities of Mormonism's truth claims. There is ample archaeological evidence supporting the Bible. E.g., there is the city of Jerusalem. But where is the archaeological evidence of the Book of Mormon? If that's a large sucking sound you are hearing right about now, that is because I referred to the large Mormon vacuum of evidence. So, we are to believe that God would leave scattered around Egypt, the Arabian peninsula, and where Israel now is many traces and evidences that buttress evidence of one tome of God's word (scripture), the Bible, but has obliterated all evidence (including DNA) of the Nephites, Lamanites and Jaredites talked about in another tome of God's word, the Book of Mormon?

Then there is the gift that just never stops giving. The BoAbr and the KEP. Read up on Kevin Graham's analyses. In short, it proves JSJr was making up Mormon scripture out of thin air--without supernatural help.

If you were to calculate the improbabilities of these 'scriptures' of Mormons being the word of God, and then toss on the fact that the COJCOLDS continues to lie about its own past that is well documented, historically, one is left with the conclusion it is all bupkis.

[_Lizard Jew]

Reason for leaving the church:

It isn't true.

that does'New Testament help me.

[_harmony]

Reason for leaving the church:

It isn't true.

that does'New Testament help me.

Then ask a different question.

[_Lizard Jew]

Lizard Jew--

I appreciate the fact that you have opened yourself up to wanting honest feedback. It is obvious to me that you love your sister very much.

I am an active member. However, I am, as some would call it, a NOM. I hold a temple recommend, and two callings in my ward. There are issues, however, which I have problems with. I vent about those issues here, and also try to make improvements within my own ward and stake...much like Consig, Jason, and Harmony do.

Welcome to the board, by the way! :-)

I agree with Stak. Take baby steps with her.

Just be her brother. Let her know that you love her, that you will always love her, and that you will be her brother, no matter what.

Trust me. That will mean more to her than anything.

And, it is also in keeping with the true spirit of Christ.

Good luck!

stak said about the same.

what i worry about is that a conversation has two ways.

if i just sit there and nod and say nothing it will look like i'm not listening.

i feel like i should have something smart to say back to her.

so i asked here for help.

[_Lizard Jew]

I left because I found out it is not true. If the unfalsifiable parts were true, then the organization would not need to hide the historical truth about the problems of early Mormonism. COJCOLDS distorts that history and whitewashes. COJCOLDS is, as an institution, a liar. You've heard of corporate crimes, well, what we have here is a corporate liar.

Then there are the improbabilities of Mormonism's truth claims. There is ample archaeological evidence supporting the Bible. E.g., there is the city of Jerusalem. But where is the archaeological evidence of the Book of Mormon? If that's a large sucking sound you are hearing right about now, that is because I referred to the large Mormon vacuum of evidence. So, we are to believe that God would leave scattered around Egypt, the Arabian peninsula, and where Israel now is many traces and evidences that buttress evidence of one tome of God's word (scripture), the Bible, but has obliterated all evidence (including DNA) of the Nephites, Lamanites and Jaredites talked about in another tome of God's word, the Book of Mormon?

Then there is the gift that just never stops giving. The BoAbr and the KEP. Read up on Kevin Graham's analyses. In short, it proves JSJr was making up Mormon scripture out of thin air--without supernatural help.

If you were to calculate the improbabilities of these 'scriptures' of Mormons being the word of God, and then toss on the fact that the COJCOLDS continues to lie about its own past that is well documented, historically, one is left with the conclusion it is all bupkis.

i know there are many ways to look at these things. there are lots of brilliant people, way smarter than me and they know all the stuff and believe still.

why is that?

am i smarter than they are? i am pretty ignorant on a lot of things. i got a book for christmas about church history and it sparked interest in me. but so many people?

so you left for the history?

[_harmony]

i know there are many ways to look at these things. there are lots of brilliant people, way smarter than me and they know all the stuff and believe still.

why is that?

1. Tradition (generations in the church)
2. Not applying the same critical thinking to the church that they apply to other aspects of their life.
3. Employment (BYU or any career related to church employment).
4. Ego (big fish, small pond)
5. Elitism (one of God's chosen)
6. Peer pressure

If I can think of 6 in as many minutes, I'm sure the list is long.

am i smarter than they are? i am pretty ignorant on a lot of things. i got a book for christmas about church history and it sparked interest in me. but so many people?

I'm not sure "smarter" has anything to do with it.

[_Runtu]

i know there are many ways to look at these things. there are lots of brilliant people, way smarter than me and they know all the stuff and believe still.

why is that?

am i smarter than they are? i am pretty ignorant on a lot of things. i got a book for christmas about church history and it sparked interest in me. but so many people?

so you left for the history?

It's not about who is smart or not. A lot of people who are smarter than I am have left the church, and others continue to believe. For me, the evidence was too obvious, and to continue believing would have required a serious loss of integrity. I wanted the church to be true, but its truth claims did not hold up to scrutiny.