A Talk Last Night With My Daughter

[_Darth J]

At least she is opening her mouth.

Why Me, I think you should make sure to advocate your "light cotton" dry-humping scheme to the youth in your ward. Tell them that "For the Strength of Youth" is just opinions and the Church knows that people aren't really going to do it. In fact, make sure to tell all of this to your bishop, too.

[_consiglieri]

She would have been a gem in your class.

Just Me is a gem in or out of my class.

[_why me]

Why Me, I think you should make sure to advocate your "light cotton" dry-humping scheme to the youth in your ward. Tell them that "For the Strength of Youth" is just opinions and the Church knows that people aren't really going to do it. In fact, make sure to tell all of this to your bishop, too.

I don't recommend it for youth at all. But I do for young adults who are sweating it out with someone they love. But again, one must remember to keep one's head when doing it. You would be surprised just how many Mormon lays occur in the church with the young adults. Most are not surpressing their sexual feelings at all with the people they are contemplating marriage with.

[_sock puppet]

So this God-time speak is an instance of one of those goofy mistakes of elohim/jehovah not taking to heart and implementing that old rule of public speaking and writing: know your audience and address them?

You have to remember...God did not initiate the ban. It was a mistake of his prophet.

I don't have an answer as to why the mistake was left to stand uncorrected for the time frame it was.

The only thing that makes sense is that God's time frame is different from our own.

The ban was ultimately repealed. Whether it was left in place as a test of faith, I don't know.

Okay, so BY just made it up. How do you know anything the prophet says is 'true', from elohim/jehovah? After all, there would have been a bloody outcry by members if none of them in BY's time prayed/received Spirit comforting confirmation. It's an epistemological nightmare for COJCOLDS and its truth claims to dismiss a doctrinal pronouncement (BY was instituting a priesthood ban on blacks and explaining it--that's core theological functioning--not just talking about what he thought of the Civil War outcome or something not in the vein of theology). If you can't trust what the prophet says about such things, then there's nothing left to follow. This approach makes the FP/12 and the Church superfluous for a real truth seeker.

[_sock puppet]

My Pearl of Great Price Religion Professor at BYU said that Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother came down to the Garden of Eden and had a second honeymoon. That's how Adam and Eve were conceived. LOL

This idea stems from Elden Watson's ill-considered "Two-Adam Theory," a highly creative if unsupported attempt to harmonize Brigham Young's teachings regarding Adam with currently received orthodoxy.

Watson proposed that Brigham Young's words would not be so troublesome if you presumed that there were two Adams (sometimes referred to by him as Adam, Sr. and Adam, Jr.).

Adam, Jr. is the guy the scriptures talk about as being Adam--the first guy in the garden--husband of eve--speaker to snakes--eater of fruit--that Adam.

Adam, Sr., on the other hand, is Elohim.

So if you understand Brigham Young as referring to Elohim by the name Adam whenever he said that Adam is our God, and many other things along those lines, you can solve the problem with relative ease.

The problem is it introduced a new teaching into the equation, because Brigham Young was clear in a number of places that Adam was a resurrected and exalted being who came to this earth with one of his wives and began the process of providing physical bodies for his spirit offspring previously begotten.

Well, this couldn't have referred to Adam, Jr., according to Watson, and so it must have reference to Adam, Sr. (i.e., Elohim).

When you make the required shift of turning Adam into Elohim (i.e., Adam, Sr.), you are left with the concept you were taught by your PGP professor--that Elohim (Adam, Sr.) came to this earth as a resurrected and exalted being with one of his wives and began the process of creating physical bodies for his spirit offspring.

Which boils down to they did it in the garden and had a boy named Adam. Then did it again and had a girl named Eve.

Because they (i.e., Adam, Jr. and Eve, Jr.--no I am not making this up) were begotten of immortal parents, they were both immortal as well until they ate of the fruit sufficiently to introduce the materials of this world into their system and became mortal thereby.

But maybe that is more than you cared to know . . . ;^)



All the Best!

--Consiglieri

Mopologetics at its best there by Watson. When contradictory statements need to be reconciled, or a FP/12 statement needs to be reconciled with scientific knowledge developments, just double things. NAMIRS did it with the Hill Cumorah, proclaiming two of them. Watson did it with Adam, proclaiming there are two of them. It's quite the shake-and-bake technique.

[_sock puppet]

It seems that god is a racist when he proclaimed the jews the chosen race. That made him a racist and the palestinians are still feeling this racism to this day.

One of my favorite defenses of the Church is, "Oh, yeah? Well the Bible is wrong, too!"

If Mormonism is proved wrong, then so too is all of Christianity.

Very deductive.

[_sock puppet]

Well, what can I say. You need to read your Bible. God certainly has his favorites. However, I don't think god is racist. Many of the jewish people living in Israel can use the chosen people idea to further their political aims in the holy city and in the west bank. But is god racist? No, but he did have his favorites.

One of my favorite things about God is how He inevitably has the same social mores, attitudes, and material interests as the people claiming to be His chosen people.

I also like how God always makes sure to give His chosen people a holy book that says the people who promulgate the holy book are His chosen people, and the way we can know that the holy book is the word of God is because the holy book says so.

Yeah, I'm so glad those peoples didn't just fictionally-write those books to suit their own needs and ends.

[_sock puppet]

At least she is opening her mouth.

I think that girl in the photo is telling why me to shut up about his dry humping suggestion to her.

[_CaliforniaKid]

The back and forth between consig and why me on the previous page is priceless.

[_why me]

I think that girl in the photo is telling why me to shut up about his dry humping suggestion to her.

That never happened. :=)