Current LDS Apologetic position on Native Americans pre-Lehi

[_DarkHelmet]

Brade..... Nothing in that article debunks anything I said.

Except the entire plot. Other than that, nothing else in the article debunks what you said.

[_3sheets2thewind]

Yes ldsfaqs we all know you know everything Nd no one should question you . Your hubris is mind numbing, its as though pahoran and a few raped each other and the and the result of that is ldsfaqs postings. Good lord ldsfaqs you do not speak for the church neither do you speak for apologiadom - unless you are legion -, either way the horse crappy you post does no favor to the church

[_SteelHead]

The more I read the apologists the more certain I become that:
1. The post Mormons take the teachings of the prophets and scriptures at face value, and reject them for their absurdity.
2. The tbm apologists do not believe the scriptures or prophets, but rahther revise, warp, and rationalize , in order to get the blatant inconsistencies of what comes out of the prophets' mouths and out of scripture to correlate with observable reality.

Which is actually more apostate?

[_3sheets2thewind]

As for fair and farms a great place to waste if juliann Reynolds isn't bitching about liberals you have Russell c mcgregor bitching about "real missionaries". Largely what you will do.d is distraaction. If mopalogists could refrain from dishing insults at every chance then there might be something from them worth reading

[_Fence Sitter]

"After thousands of years, all were destroyed except the Lamanites, and they are the principal ancestors of the American Indians" From the introduction of the 1981 version of the Book of Mormon.

[_DarkHelmet]

"After thousands of years, all were destroyed except the Lamanites, and they are the principal ancestors of the American Indians" From the introduction of the 1981 version of the Book of Mormon.

Bruce R. McConkie was one of those uneducated Mormons.

[_Infymus]

"A Dictionary of the Book of Mormon" by George Reynolds. Also with a pronouncing vocabulary by John Mills, Anthon Lund and James Talmage. This is an 1929 edition.

"Lamanites,The. The people who, in connection with their kindred, the Nephites, occupied the American continent from about BC 590 to AD 385, in which latter year they destroyed the Nephites and remained possessors of the entire land. The American Indians are their degraded descendants. These people were of Hebrew origin, being members of the half tribe of Manasseh, and are called the Lamanites, from Laman,the eldest son of Lehi, who was the leading spirit in the events that led to their separation from the Nephites and their formation as a distinct people.

Originally, the Lamanites were the children of Laman, Lemuel, and some of the family of Ishmael; but as the centuries passed there were many defections in both nations, when the dissatisfied would join the opposing race and affiliate and intermix with them, so that the two names at last became more an indication of religion and civilization than of birth."

George Reynolds was a crappy, ignorant member.

Thank God the apologists have set people like him right.

[_Drifting]

Hmmm...

If the current apologeriatric for Lamanites is that there were lots of other people already living there, then what is the current apologeriatric for the Book of Mormon stating that the land had been kept uninhabited? It seems to me these are contradictory...

[_Drifting]

Hmmm...

If the current apologeriatric for Lamanites is that there were lots of other people already living there, then what is the current apologeriatric for the Book of Mormon stating that the land had been kept uninhabited? It seems to me these are contradictory...

Bump

[_Equality]

As to the Flood.... Most people of religion don't really hold to a "literal" interpretation of the "years" as recorded in scripture, as well as other theory's, such as the Flood actually either only being a local flood, or a "flash flood" that both came and receded pretty quickly.

May be true for "most people of religion" but someone should have told that uneducated rube Gordy Hinckley:

Those of us who read and believe the scriptures are aware of the warnings of prophets concerning catastrophes that have come to pass and are yet to come to pass. There was the great Flood, when waters covered the earth and when, as Peter says, only “eight souls were saved” (1 Pet. 3:20).

October 2005 General Conference.

It's so amusing when the apologists have to disagree with the apostles and prophets to make the pieces of the Mormon puzzle fit together. It would be so much easier for Mormon believers if they didn't have those ignorant prophets and apostles speaking with authority on things. The GA's have pretty much wised up to this, which is why you can almost never find a Monson quote on anything of substance. But it's still fun to watch folks like ldsfaq get his knickers in a twist trying to reconcile the scriptures and words of the prophets with, you know, facts and stuff.