A Talk Last Night With My Daughter

[_sock puppet]

No. I would guess that most just cannot tolerate the abuse the LDS church takes on the internet. Also, members are inactive for many reasons. And some are personal. For me, I just don't want to be apart of the calling system. I am too lazy.

You can participate without heavy callings or one at all. Just tell your bishop this is where you are at and you want no calling. You know, like you keep telling everyone else to speak up. Do this your self. But since you don't walk the walk quit telling others what to do, who, in spite of their issues with the Church, are trying to make it work for themselves.

Direct hit right between why me's eyes.

[_cafe crema]

You might have a point if what you say here about the posters you addressed on CAf was accurate, but it is not. You told Catholics to focus on the foibles of the Catholic church in discussions comparing doctrine, a perfectly legitimate subject for discussion. You also admonished posters when they were defending against mocking by LDS posters such as Diana and Zerinus (among many others), you endlessly accused the Catholic church while excusing the LDS church. MY point is you have always behaved in the same manner as those you complain about. You are a hypocrite.

You must be dreaming or having nightmares. Most of my posts were defending the LDS church against catholic taliban infidels. I never admonished diana or zerinus who by the way were banned by the taliban.

But for many of the catholic taliban I did tell them to see the skeletons in the catholic closet before bashing the LDS church. And I did make some comparisons. But for most of the posts which numbered close to 5000 were in defense of the LDS church and fielding personal insults from the taliban. Which by the way was permited by the mods. But heaven forbid if the LDS did it. Gone for sure.

Still having trouble with reading comprehension I see.

[_cafe crema]

LOL!

At this point, I don't really care who he hears it from, as long as he hears it, and changes his approach.

Not going to happen.

[_cafe crema]

BINGO!!!

This is the point that Why Me seems to consistently ignore. He doesn't seem to understand why he is not taken seriously. The bottom line is...when you don't walk the walk, you can't talk the talk.

Are they really walking the walk? I have no idea if they are paying tithing at all. And even so, they are not being honest with themselves when they attend church because they put on a false face of being a wonderful believing member while they come here and mock what is said in church or are negative about their conceive notion that women are second

You're not walking the walk, and not being honest with yourself when you attend church putting on a false face of being wonderful believing member. In two churches! You're a hypocrite when you attend either church, and then you slather more hypocrisy on yourself when you berate others.

[_why me]

You can participate without heavy callings or one at all. Just tell your bishop this is where you are at and you want no calling. You know, like you keep telling everyone else to speak up. Do this your self. But since you don't walk the walk quit telling others what to do, who, in spite of their issues with the Church, are trying to make it work for themselves.

No one bothers to call me to any positions anymore. I don't even get asked to give a talk anymore because they know the answer is no. That is not the problem. But even if one attends the meetings and accepts no responisiblity, this will not get a free ride on this board. That person will not be considered active but different from the others.

Those who no longer want to put a part of the system should still open their mouths in class as I do. I do not ask anyone to do something that I also do not do. I open my mouth when I am in class.

[_sock puppet]

You can participate without heavy callings or one at all. Just tell your bishop this is where you are at and you want no calling. You know, like you keep telling everyone else to speak up. Do this your self. But since you don't walk the walk quit telling others what to do, who, in spite of their issues with the Church, are trying to make it work for themselves.

No one bothers to call me to any positions anymore. I don't even get asked to give a talk anymore because they know the answer is no. That is not the problem. But even if one attends the meetings and accepts no responisiblity, this will not get a free ride on this board. That person will not be considered active but different from the others.

Those who no longer want to put a part of the system should still open their mouths in class as I do. I do not ask anyone to do something that I also do not do. I open my mouth when I am in class.

When exactly is that?

[_Some Schmo]

Tell her to post here.

I want this to be said again, we need more young educated women on this forum. I'm tired of the same old sausage party everynight with Paul Osborne and LDSToronto.

Sexist pig.

[_Yoda]

You can participate without heavy callings or one at all. Just tell your bishop this is where you are at and you want no calling. You know, like you keep telling everyone else to speak up. Do this your self. But since you don't walk the walk quit telling others what to do, who, in spite of their issues with the Church, are trying to make it work for themselves.

No one bothers to call me to any positions anymore. I don't even get asked to give a talk anymore because they know the answer is no. That is not the problem. But even if one attends the meetings and accepts no responisiblity, this will not get a free ride on this board. That person will not be considered active but different from the others.

Those who no longer want to put a part of the system should still open their mouths in class as I do. I do not ask anyone to do something that I also do not do. I open my mouth when I am in class.

Can't you at least acknowledge that it might not always be wise to speak up in class? I agree that when you feel it is appropriate that you should. However, Just Me was referring to a specific instance where she knew the teacher and participants in class, and made a judgement call that it would be best to keep quiet in order to not hurt feelings. She then brought up the topic for discussion here because, lo and behold, this is a Mormon Discussion Board!

I just don't understand why you have to get on your high horse with those of us who actually do have a stake in our LDS communities. What is wrong with voiicing our opinions here about grievances that we might have? We are not hurting anyone, nor are we being hypocritical. You really have not been comprehending what you have been reading by any of us who are NOMs. It is not that we hate the Church. Just the opposite, in fact.

The reason that you do not comprehend the bulk of what we discuss is because, based on your inactivity, you have not developed an emotional stake in an LDS community. You are in no position to sit in judgment over those of us who do.

It is much easier for me to accept BC's opinions because he is ACTIVE, holds a priesthood calling, and, like me, has an emotional stake in his LDS community. Now, BC and I disagree all the time, but there is an underlying respect based on the sacrifices we both acknowledge that we have made for the Church.

Are you comprehending ANY of this?

[_why me]

When exactly is that?

Sunday school or priesthood. I do attend church but not all three meetings.

[_why me]

Can't you at least acknowledge that it might not always be wise to speak up in class? I agree that when you feel it is appropriate that you should. However, Just Me was referring to a specific instance where she knew the teacher and participants in class, and made a judgement call that it would be best to keep quiet in order to not hurt feelings.

This was hardly the case. In one instance someone made what she interpreted to be a racist comment. One can speak up and offer a different perspective. No harm done. And in another instance there was nothing too serious. She could have said something. I don't think in the instances that just me gave, silence was necessary. I have always spoken up and I have done it quite often. But not always. But so far, i just see just me sitting there taking it all in with a roll of the eyes. And that was my point.

A discussion is a wonderful thing to have in class and it occurs when there is a difference of opinion.