Radex wrote:Firstly, to BCSpace: splendid response.
Secondly, to BrianH: Allow me sort this out, and correct me if I am wrong. Your original post asked "can Mormons show us where Christ ever taught: (...)" and follows with a list of seven items. BCSpace provided answers to your inquiry, including all seven items, complete with reference to holy writ. Now, instead of addressing BCSpace's thoughtful response, you resort to grasping at what you perceive as the "lowest hanging fruit" and responding with a short phrase beginning with "fallacy:".
Dear fellow, you might want to examine the fallacy known as
argumentum ad ignorantiam, because I believe you might be engaging in it.
And, for further reference, you should understand that nearly everything you've asserted in this thread amounts to nothing more than standard critical bullet points which have long been addressed. For further reading:
Neil A. Maxwell Institute for Religious ScholarshipThe Foundation for Apologetic Information and Research
I will address your first and last points, together. What BC did is what what Mormons almost always do, and what you just accused me of doing: He copied and pasted from a list of deceptive boilerplate quotes bullets prepared by some LDS apologist for the faithful to keep them toting the LDS line. I showed how, in each case (actually most of them, cuz I just got bored with repeating myself), how the context and genre of the citation does not support the conclusions you guys are being handed from on high in your organization. To do that, I had to review each of his citations, IN CONTEXT, something he obviously did not do. This may be hard for you to swallow but, believe it or not, Mormons are not the only ones to have ever studied the Bible or the ECFs.
Furthermore, only two of BC's citations were of Jesus and, like the others, it was a case of deceptive quoting and pure eisogesis. The challenge here was not to show that the ECFs taught the seven LDS "restored" doctrines, I listed, but to show that Jesus taught them. Your predictable cheerleading for your team mate is hollow. Far from "thouightful", BC's response required virtually no thought on his part, but only the ability to copy and paste from a boilerplate list of deceptive quotes, none of which meet the challenge at hand to begin with.
Secondly, the fallacies I accused BC of are the ones he committed. For example, what the Bible does
NOT claim cannot stand as evidence of a positive assertion of what it meant. To pose silence as evidence of a positive assertion is the fallacy of the argument from silence, which is a close companion to the fallacy of which you have accused me - without any evidence or explanation, I might add. I have nowhere posed silence or ignorance as any kind of support for any of my arguments. If you think I have, I suggest you do more than just make the accusation, but that you actually show me the evidence that lead you to that conclusion.
-BH
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