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Re: Questions for Brian H

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Hoops wrote:The criticism of BrianH is, indeed, rich. Around here, one is normally praised for any disgusting, vile, condescending, pugnacious, filthy, and repugnant post as it is the height of free speech. Yet here comes BrianH, with some hard questions couched in much milder terms and suddenly you have standards?

Amazing.


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Hoops wrote:Amazing.


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'k Hoops,

I'm going to defend my own criticism here. I believe I have been equally critical of just about any poster on this board for the entire time I've posted on this board, and much more so, than I have of Brian H. When I see something that I think is truly rotten, I typically speak up no matter who is facilitating it.

My issue with him is one of what I see as hypocrisy. He says he has been at this for 30 years. Do you see his approach? Does that seem remotely Biblical to you?

It doesn't seem at all Biblical to me and that is what I take exception with.

I don't like seeing non-LDS Christians coming on a board like this, throwing punches at anything that moves and then claiming they are Bible believers.

It bothers me. Should I just let that ride and not say anything? If I refrained from pointing this out, would I be guilty of complicity by silence?

Those are the things that bother me, personally, Hoops and I do feel a need to raise the issues that I have.

There is nothing Biblical in his approach, in your view, should I just stand down and be silent?

Am I a flaming hypocrite?
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I'm only writing this post because now I'm obsessing over what Hoops said and I am hanging around to see if he will answer my post.

If I am a flaming hypocrite, please, by all means show me how.

Hypocrisy is like one of the major issues I have problems dealing with. If I'm doing it, tell it, brother, Hoops.

Tell it here, rake me over the coals, lynch me in full public view.

Leave me twisting in the wind...I'm not even close to joking.
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Hoops wrote:The criticism of BrianH is, indeed, rich. Around here, one is normally praised for any disgusting, vile, condescending, pugnacious, filthy, and repugnant post as it is the height of free speech. Yet here comes BrianH, with some hard questions couched in much milder terms and suddenly you have standards?

Many here would agree with Brian's assessment of the Book of Abraham...I certainly do. His "hard" questions are not the problem.

Jersey Girl wrote:My issue with him is one of what I see as hypocrisy

Bingo.
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Jersey Girl wrote:'k Hoops,

I'm going to defend my own criticism here. I believe I have been equally critical of just about any poster on this board for the entire time I've posted on this board, and much more so, than I have of Brian H. When I see something that I think is truly rotten, I typically speak up no matter who is facilitating it.

My issue with him is one of what I see as hypocrisy. He says he has been at this for 30 years. Do you see his approach? Does that seem remotely Biblical to you?

It doesn't seem at all Biblical to me and that is what I take exception with.

I don't like seeing non-LDS Christians coming on a board like this, throwing punches at anything that moves and then claiming they are Bible believers.

It bothers me. Should I just let that ride and not say anything? If I refrained from pointing this out, would I be guilty of complicity by silence?

Those are the things that bother me, personally, Hoops and I do feel a need to raise the issues that I have.

There is nothing Biblical in his approach, in your view, should I just stand down and be silent?

Am I a flaming hypocrite?


Jersey Girl, I'd say Brian's problem is simpler than not following Christian principles. As Hoops says, he comes here and poses a simple enough challenge. But it becomes obvious that he is here to yell and make noise under the guise of rational debate.

Plus, as others have mentioned, he rejects faithful argumentation based on LDS theology but maintains that his faith in Jesus Christ is sound and rational.

Very strange. I predict he will tire of this place soon.

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Re: Questions for Brian H

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Ah, the lovely Jersey Girl. My spirit always seems to lighten when I here from you.

I'm going to defend my own criticism here. I believe I have been equally critical of just about any poster on this board for the entire time I've posted on this board, and much more so, than I have of Brian H.
I can only go by my my experience with you since I've been here. And I will completely agree that you are one of the most consistent. Consistently critical (though I don't always agree) and consistently generous. I wish I were more like you, in fact.

When I see something that I think is truly rotten, I typically speak up no matter who is facilitating it.
I think that's generally true, but I have little interest in citing specific examples one way or the other. I can't think of any examples.

My issue with him is one of what I see as hypocrisy. He says he has been at this for 30 years. Do you see his approach? Does that seem remotely Biblical to you?
I can see it, yes. I think he might be appealing to "having a ready answer". I am the last biblical Christian to criticize another for being too harsh. You, on the other hand, have plenty of room to make that criticism. You are that generous. (Which makes me wonder why you haven't criticized me :) ). Be as all of that may, yes, BrianH is not inviting discussion with his tone and he should be called on that. And he has. But my question to those above who are suddenly and emphatically so outraged about BrianH: where were you when posters who think like you were posting such disgusting vile things? I tell you where. You where smugly standing aside and relishing the two way street of free speech because traffic was traveling your way. So this feigned outrage is duplicitous and revealing. Again.

It doesn't seem at all Biblical to me and that is what I take exception with.
If just you and me are talking, I'm not so sure. Nor am I unsure. It would seem that Jesus had several examples where he was anything if not harsh.

I don't like seeing non-LDS Christians coming on a board like this, throwing punches at anything that moves and then claiming they are Bible believers.
I think BrianH might deserve a bit more history before he is so judged this way. But that's me. I'm in no position to argue with you.

It bothers me. Should I just let that ride and not say anything?
Absolutely not.

If I refrained from pointing this out, would I be guilty of complicity by silence?
I think so.

Those are the things that bother me, personally, Hoops and I do feel a need to raise the issues that I have.
I think you should raise the issues. I don't know that BrianH should be sentenced just yet.

There is nothing Biblical in his approach, in your view, should I just stand down and be silent?
No.

Am I a flaming hypocrite?
No. You're a wonderful generous spirit who deserves the benefit of the doubt at all times. That the history you've earned. Let's wait and see what history BrianH earns.
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Corpsegrinder wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:My issue with him is one of what I see as hypocrisy

Bingo.

Bull. Your issue isn't his alleged hypocrisy. Your issue is that BrianH is an easy target so that makes it easy to pile-on.

For you to allege hypocrisy you would have to explain, and we would have to agree, what the entire Christian faith means. Good luck with that.
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But it becomes obvious that he is here to yell and make noise under the guise of rational debate.


Great. Since this is a common enough occurence here I'll be waiting for your criticism of the atheist/humanist/agnostics/ who do the same. I wonder how long I will have to wait.

Plus, as others have mentioned, he rejects faithful argumentation based on LDS theology but maintains that his faith in Jesus Christ is sound and rational.
So what? What's your point?

Very strange. I predict he will tire of this place soon.

One could hardly imagine why.
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Re: Questions for Brian H

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Hoops

(It's a good thing you answered, because I was about to go off on an obsessive rant).

I think he might be appealing to "having a ready answer".


If you are thinking of the instruction that I think you are referring to, then Christians are to be ready to answer regarding the hope we have.

Not bash the other guy bloody.

Jesus reserved his harshest criticism for the hypocrites of the religious community. Is this not so?
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