Will Schryver has made a valiant attempt to make the Book of Mormon directions seem less confused if one uses the non-official location system for Book of Mormon setttings.
Here is an interesting quote from Bill Hamlin:
Directions in the Book of Mormon are not absolute planetary and continental. As with all ancient direction systems, they are based on the center point of the temple. N/S/E/W are directions measured from the temple as sacred center. (The old saying "All roads lead to Rome" reflects precisely this ancient mentality.) When you understand this, Book of Mormon directions make perfect sense.
So did the Liahona point to the Temple in Jerusalem or Salt Lake City?
for what it's worth: I don't think "Nomad" is a Schryver sock puppet. I think he's a Schryver cheer leader. But I don't think Nomad and Schryver are the same poster. Schryver is ten times more condescending and is always stuffing way too many big words into his posts, trying to seem more "erudite" than he really is.
I do think Doctor CAMNC4Me might be on to something with his theory that Nomad is a handle used by more than one person, because sometimes it seems like Nomad's writing style changes from one day to the next.
"I do not want you to think that I am very righteous, for I am not." Joseph Smith (History of the Church 5:401)
Carton wrote:for what it's worth: I don't think "Nomad" is a Schryver sock puppet. I think he's a Schryver cheer leader. But I don't think Nomad and Schryver are the same poster. Schryver is ten times more condescending and is always stuffing way too many big words into his posts, trying to seem more "erudite" than he really is.
I do think Doctor CAMNC4Me might be on to something with his theory that Nomad is a handle used by more than one person, because sometimes it seems like Nomad's writing style changes from one day to the next.
Or the reason the style changes is that the person posting is intentionally trying to alter his style. There would be inherent difficulties in trying to change your style and be consistent. Given Will's talent at writing he might be able to pull it off either way.
"Any over-ritualized religion since the dawn of time can make its priests say yes, we know, it is rotten, and hard luck, but just do as we say, keep at the ritual, stick it out, give us your money and you'll end up with the angels in heaven for evermore."
Carton wrote: for what it's worth: I don't think "Nomad" is a Schryver sock puppet. I think he's a Schryver cheer leader. But I don't think Nomad and Schryver are the same poster. Schryver is ten times more condescending and is always stuffing way too many big words into his posts, trying to seem more "erudite" than he really is.
I do think Doctor CAMNC4Me might be on to something with his theory that Nomad is a handle used by more than one person, because sometimes it seems like Nomad's writing style changes from one day to the next.
Sorry but Schryver responded to a post that he said was his when in fact it was Nomads. Nomad is undoubtedly Schryver.
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Carton wrote: for what it's worth: I don't think "Nomad" is a Schryver sock puppet. I think he's a Schryver cheer leader. But I don't think Nomad and Schryver are the same poster. Schryver is ten times more condescending and is always stuffing way too many big words into his posts, trying to seem more "erudite" than he really is.
I do think Doctor CAMNC4Me might be on to something with his theory that Nomad is a handle used by more than one person, because sometimes it seems like Nomad's writing style changes from one day to the next.
Sorry but Schryver responded to a post that he said was his when in fact it was Nomads. Nomad is undoubtedly Schryver.
Just talking to Will today, and he asked me something regarding this claim (which has come up a number of times before) about the identity of himself and "Nomad." With specific reference to the assertion made above by Drifting:
CFR?
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- President Ezra Taft Benson
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what am I missing ... if you take any given point on the earths surface and call that a center to then point east/west/north/south based on this center the only difference would be if you are talking about magnetic north verses true north, and if so, the only difference would be the number of degress of magnetic declination for that given center (what a 10 degree or so difference?)
RockSlider wrote:what am I missing ... if you take any given point on the earths surface and call that a center to then point east/west/north/south based on this center the only difference would be if you are talking about magnetic north verses true north, and if so, the only difference would be the number of degress of magnetic declination for that given center (what a 10 degree or so difference?)
The reason for this apologetic argument is that there isn't a location in the Americas that works unless you skew the directions from true or even magnetic north. It's kind of weak, but then, even if you accept the Mesoamerican setting, there are still huge problems with the culture, religion, and technology described in the Book of Mormon.
Simply put, it doesn't fit, either on the map, or historically.
RockSlider wrote:what am I missing ... if you take any given point on the earths surface and call that a center to then point east/west/north/south based on this center the only difference would be ...
What if the arrow front of the Liahona pointed to Jerusalem and the arrow rear pointed to Salt Lake City? Isn't that what Professor Hamblin is suggesting as a way to make directions fit with the FAIR locations for the Book of Mormon lands? This would be vastly different from any directional system we use. Even if this still doesn't fit, at least it has pointed us in direction of even more imaginative directional possiblities.
Drifting wrote:Sorry but Schryver responded to a post that he said was his when in fact it was Nomads. Nomad is undoubtedly Schryver.
Just talking to Will today, and he asked me something regarding this claim (which has come up a number of times before) about the identity of himself and "Nomad." With specific reference to the assertion made above by Drifting:
CFR?
From the 'Top happenings in 2011' thread.
Another top happening was when William Schryver acknowledged (in the misogyny thread) making [a] post before it was revealed he had posted it under the sock puppet 'Nomad'. Doh!
I suggest you go back and read the misogyny thread to see the actual sequence of events.
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
Another top happening was when William Schryver acknowledged (in the misogyny thread) making [a] post before it was revealed he had posted it under the sock puppet 'Nomad'. Doh!
I suggest you go back and read the misogyny thread to see the actual sequence of events.
Who "revealed" that Nomad was Will, and what was the evidence presented?
Nothing is going to startle us more when we pass through the veil to the other side than to realize how well we know our Father [in Heaven] and how familiar his face is to us
- President Ezra Taft Benson
I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white.