Come on - somebody must have continued on from the title.
Let's hear 'em.
Here, then. Think of AC/DC's "T.N.T." for the music part.
oi oi oi oi oi oi oi oi oi oi oi oi oi oi oi
What a difference a DNA makes On your computer screen Dispels that old Indian myth If you know what I mean information to the left of me information to the right No room for myth No more belief Don't you stare at light
(Chorus) Cos I've got D.N.A. It's Dynamite D.N.A. And I'll shine the light D.N.A. It's an info-load D.N.A. Watch myths Explode
I'm nitty, gritty and damn clean I'm a hunted man Belief Enemy Number One Understand So lock up your mystery And lock up your life Lock up your Church door And run for your 'life' Science is back in town So don't you mess around
(Chorus)
(Guitar Solo)
D.N.A. oi oi oi D.N.A. oi oi oi D.N.A. oi oi oi D.N.A. oi oi oi
D.N.A. I'm Dynamite (oi oi oi) D.N.A. And I'll shine the light (oi oi oi) D.N.A. It's an info-load (oi oi oi) D.N.A. Watch myths explode
Drifting wrote:Speaking up in Church in a manner that is questioning rather than reinforcing the faith promoting theme of the lesson will lead to you being labelled a maverick, a trouble causer, a person to be avoided.
And, on occasion, a person who gets blacklisted from teaching class, even as a substitute.
All the Best!
--Consiglieri
THAT HAPPENED TO ME! My wife was in grad school in her last year of teaching Gospel Doctrine. This meant that there were times each semester when she would miss church to do group work. As a half-decent husband, I would cover her class. Well, the Sunday School President (also known as the SS President) determined that I was not a suitable substitute and chastised my wife for asking me to cover her class and failure to report her absence to him. She was told that I was not a substitute teacher.
Whatev...probably had something to do with the Word of Wisdom lesson I'd give to the high priests around the same time.
H.
"Others cannot endure their own littleness unless they can translate it into meaningfulness on the largest possible level." ~ Ernest Becker "Whether you think of it as heavenly or as earthly, if you love life immortality is no consolation for death." ~ Simone de Beauvoir
harmony wrote:No, that is how polite people function. Interesting that you can't see the difference.
No, this is how cult members function... it has nothing to do with being polite, but keeping the truth from those who wish to stay in ignorant bliss.
That only works if the roles are reversed.
How can anyone wish to remain ignorant? If one "knows", then one isn't ignorant. If one doesn't know, then how does one wish to stay to in ignorance?
My "version" of the truth is based upon the facts, or rather the actual truth. "YOUR" version of the truth includes keeping your observations of the truth from those that don't know the truth, which is how the cult mentality has taught you act. Considering how you reject D&C 132 and are damned based on the doctrine of Joseph Smith, I understand why you need to juggle truth and keep your anti-Mormon opinions from those that don't know what you actually believe... or profess to believe, which somehow appeases your cognitive dissonance.
What you don't know is obvious.
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
thews wrote:No, this is how cult members function... it has nothing to do with being polite, but keeping the truth from those who wish to stay in ignorant bliss.
That only works if the roles are reversed.
You are taught not to question... pray for answers to what doesn't make sense. You are taught to give testimony to what you "know" to be true. You are also taught not to openly discuss issues you have with the LDS church. What you claim simply doesn't make sense.
harmony wrote:How can anyone wish to remain ignorant? If one "knows", then one isn't ignorant. If one doesn't know, then how does one wish to stay to in ignorance?
Again you aren't making sense. If you're being "polite" by not pointing out an answer to a question asked for fear of relaying truth to those that don't know it, you are protecting them from the truth.
Regarding ignorant bliss, you are damned (according to the doctrine of Joseph Smith) for rejecting D&C 132. To appease your cognitive dissonance and maintain your temple recommend, you must appease your cognitive dissonance by finding a way to both accept and reject the doctrine of Joseph Smith. Care to explain how you do this?
harmony wrote:
thews wrote:My "version" of the truth is based upon the facts, or rather the actual truth. "YOUR" version of the truth includes keeping your observations of the truth from those that don't know the truth, which is how the cult mentality has taught you act. Considering how you reject D&C 132 and are damned based on the doctrine of Joseph Smith, I understand why you need to juggle truth and keep your anti-Mormon opinions from those that don't know what you actually believe... or profess to believe, which somehow appeases your cognitive dissonance.
What you don't know is obvious.
Please explain, as you are not making sense nor addressing the obvious.
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2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. 2 Tim 4:4 They will turn their ears away from the truth & turn aside to myths
consiglieri wrote:I will add that, knowing the teacher shares a good deal of my perspective, I did make my unvoiced comment to him after class was over. He laughed and added not only the problems with DNA, but with blood types.
He knew perfectly well why the change was made to the introduction.
At another point in class, somebody said something about how the Book of Mormon was brought forth to restore the doctrines that had been lost from the Bible. I turned to the unfortunate friend sitting next to me and asked quietly, "And what doctrines would those be exactly?"
All the Best!
--Consiglieri
Yet a recent Church News article about the dedication of a second temple in Guatemala has in its title something like The Children of Lehi rejoice and President Uchdorf made similar reference in his comments.
zeezrom wrote:Sunday school could be a bit more exciting if there wasn't a desperate need to protect a common point of view. It must be protected at all costs, apparently.
There is no solution. The manuals must stay correlated and the discussions must stay homogenous. Could the leadership handle anything more than that?
What leadership? It is sunday school. Now lets look at this:
This seems like a good guideline. And I see nothing wrong with it.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
consiglieri wrote: The teacher then asked if anybody had something they wanted to say about the change.
The thought that came to my mind was, "What a difference a DNA makes."
But I didn't share it.
Am I a hypocrite for not mentioning it at Church and coming here to talk about it?
What do you think?
All the Best!
--Consiglieri
I think that if you would have brought up the dna issue you would have lost people because the issue is too complicated. And you probably don't know enough anyway about the factors of dna. However, you could have brought up other points about the introduction and why it was written and the debate at that time it was written by the general authorities as to whether that sentence should have been included in the introduction. If I remember correctly, Dan said that there were some disagreement about that sentence but Bruce R. got his way. But I could be wrong in this.
The introduction is not part of the Book of Mormon. It was written in 1979 or in 1980 I believe.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
LDSToronto wrote: THAT HAPPENED TO ME! My wife was in grad school in her last year of teaching Gospel Doctrine. This meant that there were times each semester when she would miss church to do group work. As a half-decent husband, I would cover her class. Well, the Sunday School President (also known as the SS President) determined that I was not a suitable substitute and chastised my wife for asking me to cover her class and failure to report her absence to him. She was told that I was not a substitute teacher.
H.
I think that the proper procedure would be to contact the SS president and he would find a replacement. That is how it is done. There is a procedure in place.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
consiglieri wrote: The teacher then asked if anybody had something they wanted to say about the change.
The thought that came to my mind was, "What a difference a DNA makes."
But I didn't share it.
Am I a hypocrite for not mentioning it at Church and coming here to talk about it?
What do you think?
All the Best!
--Consiglieri
The introduction is not part of the Book of Mormon. It was written in 1979 or in 1980 I believe.
Actually Moroni stated that the book was a record of the 'literal' ancestors of the native Americans when he appeared to Joseph Smith. All the Church has done is try to make that statement fit with what we are increasingly coming to know.
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consiglieri wrote:I will add that, knowing the teacher shares a good deal of my perspective, I did make my unvoiced comment to him after class was over. He laughed and added not only the problems with DNA, but with blood types.
He knew perfectly well why the change was made to the introduction.
At another point in class, somebody said something about how the Book of Mormon was brought forth to restore the doctrines that had been lost from the Bible. I turned to the unfortunate friend sitting next to me and asked quietly, "And what doctrines would those be exactly?"
All the Best!
--Consiglieri
Well, there you go. Your comment in class would have been interesting and educational. You missed a great opportunity to add to the discussion. Now I must say that all comments and questions should be made politely without contention. That usually works just fine.
I think that you missed a good opportunity. Don't you feel a little disappointed that you didn't make your comment in a polite way?
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith