Speaking Up In Church

[_harmony]

Again you aren't making sense. If you're being "polite" by not pointing out an answer to a question asked for fear of relaying truth to those that don't it, you are protecting them from the truth.

That is not what you said.

You said:

keeping the truth from those who wish to stay in ignorant bliss.

I am not "protecting" them from the truth. You said THEY wish to stay ignorant.

I can see how I might want to protect them from the pain I suffered a dozen years ago. I don't see how a person can wish to stay ignorant (your words, not mine).

So how, exactly, does a person wish stay ignorant?

Regarding ignorant bliss, you are damned (according to the doctrine of Joseph Smith) for rejecting D&C 132.

Actually, no. I have no desire to be anywhere near Joseph Smith, so I have no problem with not making it to the highest level of the CK (assuming, of course, that that's where he ends up... not at all a given, in my opinion)

To appease your cognitive dissonance and maintain your temple recommend, you must appease your cognitive dissonance by finding a way to both accept and reject the doctrine of Joseph Smith. Care to explain how you do this?

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Start another thread and we'll talk.

[_why me]

Nobody is disputing that.
The point is that to make this list you have to be a drone who is prepared to stick rigidly to the manual content and nothing but the manual content.

LDStoronto had a problem with it. If you read the link, you will see there is leeway given to the teacher when questions and statements are made. Once a teacher asks a question he or she has no idea where it will lead.

[_consiglieri]

You are taking a very USA centrist position. When I said that I was an American to my friend from chile, he took issue with it because he claims to be from america too. Likewise for canadians. Many claim to be american since they live on the American continent. American indians would satisfy all concerned.

Memo

To: Why Me
From: Consiglieri
Date: 1/2/12
Re: Recommendation for an Updated Book of Mormon Introduction




My issue was not with the use of the word "American."

[_consiglieri]

Did you ask why? This is a big chip on your shoulder. I would find out why if it were me. I would also tell them just how hurt I am about it. Much could be solved with a pleasant discussion.

And if you care, don't let them know.
Don't give yourself away.

All the Best!

--Mitchellieri

[_RockSlider]

I often wonder why I bother posting here, seems I'm only talking to myself

[_why me]

If you choose to endure that pablum for umpteenth time, while day dreaming about something interesting like flossing your teeth,....

LOL!

Thanks for the morning chuckle, Sock Puppet!

As to the OP, Consig is exactly right. The point I was trying to make to Why Me is that those of us who are active are more familiar with the dynamic of the class itself. Therefore, we have a better understanding of what is appropriate in these types of situations and what isn't.

One can be less active and still know the dynamics of the class if one attends the class. I just felt that just me could have said something in class. It wasn't that serious of a subject to keep quiet about. And it was the second time that she posted such a thread or comment about something someone said in church.

[_why me]

I often wonder why I bother posting here, seems I'm only talking to myself

Relax, you are normal. We all have that feeling.

[_why me]

My issue was not with the use of the word "American."

You mentioned american indians. One may not call them Native Americans since someone from the americas would also be natives. See the point? Native Americans is a USA term.

[_consiglieri]

I often wonder why I bother posting here, seems I'm only talking to myself

I appreciate your posts and apologize for not responding to what you had posted earlier.

I have been giving it some thought, and wonder if I have a duty of sorts to speak what is on my mind.

I honestly don't know. I sometimes think that by doing so I would be labeled more of a crackpot than I am now, thereby possibly losing whatever influence I might have.

What do you think?

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

[_RockSlider]

I honestly don't know. I sometimes think that by doing so I would be labeled more of a crackpot than I am now, thereby possibly losing whatever influence I might have.

Sounds like the new/current teacher is also a "crackpot". I would suggest that any diligent teacher, who is using the internet to research next week's topic, is going to be a good candidate for next year's black-list.

Us old timer crackpots know how lonely this place can be, testing the boundaries of where others might stand, and how much sharing/discussion might be possible.

It was only a few years back, that the shortest career at BYU was a church history professor, or that sharing intellectual knowledge lead to excommunications (Sunstone/Sept. 6). Maybe only a few years more and we can refer to the fear/silencing of thoughts within ss classes.

Quick story … My wife's current Relief Society President is a younger wife/mother (young 30's). Her best friend is the chorister, a very talented singer and plays unique civil war era percussion and string instruments. The chorister had a gig in a local bar and the RSP invited my wife to go listen.

Old school (i.e wife) knows to avoid even the presence of evil, and would NEVER go into a bar, well so I thought. She asked me to go (I love live music, and the local bars have some good bands), and so I went with her and another of her ward friends. A small ward "secret society" was soon revealed of those who not only ignored the very presence of evil warnings and went in, but heaven forbid, enjoyed the evening. It was apparent this was not their first time.

Somehow this softened my wife, to see the RSP, and other well known ward members, in a bar, dancing and having fun.

I believe there may be more of this going on with the 20 and 30 year olds of our wards than we might know.

Yes, the times they are a-changing