Was Jesus a Mormon?

[_Darth J]

In the meantime, I hereby declare myself to be the successor to the Roman emperors because I really, really believe in the writings of Marcus Aurelius and Julius Caesar.

All hail Darth J!

Wow, imperial purple!

[_harmony]

In the meantime, I hereby declare myself to be the successor to the Roman emperors because I really, really believe in the writings of Marcus Aurelius and Julius Caesar.

Well, I am the real Queen of Scotland, so I guess you can be the Holy Roman Emperor.

[_Darth J]

In the meantime, I hereby declare myself to be the successor to the Roman emperors because I really, really believe in the writings of Marcus Aurelius and Julius Caesar.

Well, I am the real Queen of Scotland, so I guess you can be the Holy Roman Emperor.

The "original" church of Jesus Christ---->the Great Apostasy---->the Roman Catholic Church

The Roman Empire---->the fall of the Roman Empire---->the Holy Roman Empire

[_RockSlider]

Well, I am the real Queen of Scotland, so I guess you can be the Holy Roman Emperor.

The "original" church of Jesus Christ---->the Great Apostasy---->the Roman Catholic Church

The Roman Empire---->the fall of the Roman Empire---->the Holy Roman Empire ----> to holy crap batman[/quote]

[_huckelberry]

Furthermore, only two of BC's citations were of Jesus and, like the others, it was a case of deceptive quoting and pure eisogesis. The challenge here was not to show that the ECFs taught the seven LDS "restored" doctrines, I listed, but to show that Jesus taught them.
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BrianH states above earlier this afternoon:
There is a serious flaw in your misrepresentation. Once again, I never specified the Bible as the only source LDS can use. That is why I have been bothering to refute LDS citations of the ECFs.

Huckelberry observes that in this discussion LDS are not allowed to speak with their hat on or with their hat off. Lets not have a discussion about how close to the face the hat was .

LDS do not normally claim that the ecf quotes are a repeat of the details of King Follett just that they reflect an understanding which has affinity to LDS view and offers contrast to some protestant views.

[_BrianH]

I think that we have yet again established that no other church comes closer to the LDS interpretation of the Bible than the LDS Church. Therefore, the LDS Church is the true church because it follows its own interpretation of the Bible.

Similarly, we have also established that the LDS Church is false because it fails to conform to Brian H.'s interpretation of the Bible.

My "interpretation" of the Bible is not the issue here. And even if it was, I have not even represented it such that you could even pretend to make such a judgment.

The issue here, in this discussion, is my challenge that the Mormons show us evidence that will support their practice of attributing the seven distinctively LDS doctrines I listed in the OP to Jesus Christ. So far the closest anyone has come is a copy-paste list of isolated, context-free quotes from the 3rd - 4th century church. But in each case the citations were deceptively offered.

-BH

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[_Jersey Girl]

Obviously, Jesus' earthly life ended nearly 2,000 years before Mormonism appeared on the earth. The question represented in the title of this thread is (using more words than the title bar permits): Did the Lord Jesus Christ ever believe, teach or practice the distinguishing doctrines and practices of the LDS church which exists on the claim to have "restored" his gospel and which we would recognize as uniquely "Mormon" doctrines and practices.

The very reason, purpose and existence of the LDS church stands on this essential, fundamental claim to have "restored" the supposedly lost gospel of Jesus Christ. Therefore Mormons SHOULD be able to show us where Jesus Christ taught the things that distinguish their religion from the Christian world. For example, can Mormons show us where Christ ever taught:

1.) the Jesus-Satan brotherhood
2.) polygamy
3.) polytheism
4.) That God the Father is a mere demigod
5.) Adam is God
6.) That men can become Gods, just as all Gods before them did
7.) That men become Gods by, in part, learning secret handshakes and passwords and participating in 17th century revisions of ancient Babylonian initiation rites?

...?

While not all Mormons personally believe each of these supposedly "restored" doctrines, they most certainly ARE (or at least were) part of the "restored" gospel claimed by the Mormon church. But unless Mormons can show us some reasons to think that Christ himself actually believed, taught and/or practiced these things, its hard to see why anyone should believe the claim that the LDS church has "restored" anything other than the figments of the collective, fevered imaginations of Mormons. Furthermore, if Jesus himself did NOT teach the distinguishing claims of Mormonism, why should anyone give a hoot about what the LDS church claims?

The challenge here is for Mormons to SHOW US some reasons to think that Christ himself ever taught the doctrines and practices listed above. Please do not simply state what you have been told to "think" by the LDS church. All of us here already know WHAT Mormons have been led to believe. What you must do, if you want to meet the challenge here is to tell us WHY we should think that what you believe is actually TRUE.

thank you

-BH

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Enough of this shell game.

No, Brian they can't show you what according to their theology was "lost". You are asking them to bear the burden of proof for a negative assertion. If it was "restored", it would have been restored by Joseph Smith.

Likewise, you sir, cannot show evidence that Jesus taught anything at all.

Try asking a question that actually makes sense.

[_BrianH]

You have not shown that I have a double standard to begin with so your question is an example of the fallacy of the hidden premise - a circular argument in interrogatory form.

You sir, are guilty of - just bored me sober.

In any case, I've got your number now that I have seen your tactics and I will not be drawn down a rabbit trail away from the topic of this discussion into your angry, bitter little world by such tangents and evasions. The topic HERE in THIS discussion, is my challenge to Mormons to show that Jesus Christ ever taught the doctrines listed above, which they effectively attribute to him every time they claim to have "restored" his gospel and doctrine.

Please either get on topic or ...get lost.

-BH

Coward.

LOL ..."coward" because I will not fall for the usual LDS trick of following a Mormon's lead down an irrelevant rabbit trail to avoid dealing with the actual topic of this thread?

Go take your pills.

-BH

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[_Jersey Girl]

I think that we have yet again established that no other church comes closer to the LDS interpretation of the Bible than the LDS Church. Therefore, the LDS Church is the true church because it follows its own interpretation of the Bible.

Similarly, we have also established that the LDS Church is false because it fails to conform to Brian H.'s interpretation of the Bible.

My "interpretation" of the Bible is not the issue here. And even if it was, I have not even represented it such that you could even pretend to make such a judgment.

The issue here, in this discussion, is my challenge that the Mormons show us evidence that will support their practice of attributing the seven distinctively LDS doctrines I listed in the OP to Jesus Christ. So far the closest anyone has come is a copy-paste list of isolated, context-free quotes from the 3rd - 4th century church. But in each case the citations were deceptively offered.

-BH

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Your so-called challenge doesn't make one lick of sense in terms of LDS doctrine and theology.

[_Darth J]

I think that we have yet again established that no other church comes closer to the LDS interpretation of the Bible than the LDS Church. Therefore, the LDS Church is the true church because it follows its own interpretation of the Bible.

Similarly, we have also established that the LDS Church is false because it fails to conform to Brian H.'s interpretation of the Bible.

My "interpretation" of the Bible is not the issue here. And even if it was, I have not even represented it such that you could even pretend to make such a judgment.

Then you have raised no issue. Latter-day Saints believe that their church's teachings are consistent with the Bible. Since you do not choose to put an alternative interpretation at issue---that LDS beliefs are not consistent with the Bible---there is nothing to talk about.

And don't bother putting scare quotes around the word interpretation. On the assumption that you are less than, say, 1900 years old, I am going to venture that you played no part in the authorship of the Bible. Whatever you have to say about the Bible is your interpretation.

The issue here, in this discussion, is my challenge that the Mormons show us evidence that will support their practice of attributing the seven distinctively LDS doctrines I listed in the OP to Jesus Christ. So far the closest anyone has come is a copy-paste list of isolated, context-free quotes from the 3rd - 4th century church. But in each case the citations were deceptively offered.

-BH

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They believe that Jesus Christ revealed these things subsequent to the compilation of the Bible. The canonized version of Joseph Smith's early history in the Pearl of Great Price has Joseph Smith saying that he did not believe that questions about differing Christian creeds could be resolved by an appeal to the Bible alone because all the ministers interpreted it differently.

The ultimate issue, which you have no intention of ever addressing, is who cares? You have not---and are not going to---explain why your issues are meaningfully different from debating who would win a fight between Harry Potter and Luke Skywalker.