The Kingdom of Jesus

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Why do I have a sense the Kingdom of God will be similar to North Korea? For example if you ask any North Korean (especially when there's a handler around) if Kim Jong Il was a deity they'd answer with an emphatic 'yes!'. In the book 1984 it wasn't enough for a person to say that Big Brother was good, but he or she had to fervently believe it.

Why would anyone under the autocratic rule of Jesus during His reign be stupid enough to deny His godliness especially when he or she just witnessed the murder of millions of "wicked" (ie, those who don't toe the party line)?

Frankly, the Kingdom of God appears to be nothing more than a Dante's Inferno if, god forbid, you disagree with the ruler and his political allies.

- VRDRC

[_just me]

In terms of Jesus "murdering all the opposition" when He comes back; I think they'll pretty much murder themselves as the Lamanites and Nephites did. God uses the wicked to punish the wicked.

I find this idea disturbing and horrific.

As to choice of acknowledging Jesus Christ as King? As I write this, it's about 11 AM in Arizona, U.S.A. The sun is shining brightly. If I went out and asked all my neighbors, "Is the sun shining?" I'm sure they'd all say "yes", even though they have the freedom to say "no". That's hardly a denial of agency; it's just a "no-duh" recognition of a universal truth.

Ok.. But what would happen if you told your neighbor to kneel and bow before the sun? That might be an altogether different reaction. Yeah?

Basically, what's going to happen, is this Telestial without glory kingdom of Lucifer we now live in will be upgraded to a Terresterial world while we work out the perfecting of this Kingdom of Christ so He can ultimately present it to His Father for the Father's glory. All that is Telestial will have to be removed, probably to spirit prison, so the lower influences won't hamper the work. It's like refining ore into gold; part of the process is to remove all the stuff that isn't gold. And, so, we must ask ourselves: are we, at least at this point, of a Terresterial nature, "honorable men of the earth" . . . D & C 76: 75. so we can participate in this great project, and maybe lift ourselves to Celestial status in the process?

How will people be changed from their current nature? This would include those born during the 1000 years. And if Jesus is able to change people in a very literal sense to where they no longer kill or steal or molest each other why the hell didn't he do that already?

[_Buffalo]

Another question about this whole thing: why the archaic political structures (monarchy, feudalism) in the Kingdom? Why the quaint clothing (flowing robes). It's as if Jesus hates technology and progress.

[_just me]

Another question about this whole thing: why the archaic political structures (monarchy, feudalism) in the Kingdom? Why the quaint clothing (flowing robes). It's as if Jesus hates technology and progress.

At this point it should be clear that the reason is because it was invented by human beings during an era when that was all they could really conceive of. (and we're not much better)

[_Hoops]

Well, since people are born neither good nor evil, with a perfect administration of the world, which one would expect with Jesus as King, then it should be pretty easy for folks to behave themselves.

What's the problem?

The folks, obviously.

How about addressing my question.

[_consiglieri]

How about addressing my question.

I think the problem with your solution is that there will always be conflict so long as people are involved in the equation.

Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon, and for the rest of our lives.

(I'm on a Casablanca kick today.)

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

[_Runtu]

How about addressing my question.

It wasn't asked of me, but here's my thought. I think human beings are, by nature, interested in self-preservation. That is often the impetus behind sinful actions; in other words, we do things because we like to do them, not because Satan is tempting us or because we are evil or good.

If that's true (and I think it is), humans are going to be humans, regardless of who is in charge. People will do things that hurt themselves and others because that is what humans do out of a desire to survive or to have more of whatever it is they want. They don't need Satan to get them to do those things.

[_zeezrom]

Has anyone considered this:

There once lived a God who really planned to do just what the Bible predicted. He planned to come down here and destroy a bunch of stuff then rule as a king, etc., etc.

But then, something not documented in the Bible occurred! Another God felt there was a better way. This other God is at war with that God who planned to come and rule as king. There is a chance this new God will win and make it possible for us not to endure an apocalypse.

?

Ever considered it before? Just curious.

[_just me]

Well, since people are born neither good nor evil, with a perfect administration of the world, which one would expect with Jesus as King, then it should be pretty easy for folks to behave themselves.

What's the problem?

People are born human beings, with all that that entails. Setting aside that human beings commit rape, murder, cheat and deceive we have many humans who are born with mental illness. Mental illness can lead people to act out in ways that can be harmful to others in the community.

Is Jesus going to ensure that there is no mental illness? How will he ensure that human beings over-ride some of their more base behaviors and only "behave themselves?"

What about Jesus' administration will be different from the teachings of Christianity? I ask because the teachings of Christianity have not made men behave themselves as of yet...and it has been a nearly 2000 year experiment. How will Jesus change reality or humanity?

Now, if peace means freedom from war, then it looks like the Kingdom of Jesus is a fail since it will be established following the biggest war of extermination in the history of the earth. War as a tool for peace is a contradiction and can never be so. War does not lead to peace. It never has and it never will.

[_Drifting]

Well, since people are born neither good nor evil, with a perfect administration of the world, which one would expect with Jesus as King, then it should be pretty easy for folks to behave themselves.

What's the problem?

People are born human beings, with all that that entails. Setting aside that human beings commit rape, murder, cheat and deceive we have many humans who are born with mental illness. Mental illness can lead people to act out in ways that can be harmful to others in the community.

Is Jesus going to ensure that there is no mental illness? How will he ensure that human beings over-ride some of their more base behaviors and only "behave themselves?"

What about Jesus' administration will be different from the teachings of Christianity? I ask because the teachings of Christianity have not made men behave themselves as of yet...and it has been a nearly 2000 year experiment. How will Jesus change reality or humanity?

Now, if peace means freedom from war, then it looks like the Kingdom of Jesus is a fail since it will be established following the biggest war of extermination in the history of the earth. War as a tool for peace is a contradiction and can never be so. War does not lead to peace. It never has and it never will.

Jesus' reign is beginning to sound more and more like Satans original plan...