The Kingdom of Jesus

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_consiglieri
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Re: The Kingdom of Jesus

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zeezrom wrote:
Ever considered it before? Just curious.


I think Marcion may have considered something along those lines. If I remember correctly, Marcion believed there were two gods, the evil god of the Old Testament who was in opposition to the true god of the New Testament.

But I think everybody believes their god will win in the end, even though this belief strikes at the heart of human freedom.

Only one god can win.

What if my god is a loser?

All the Best!

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consiglieri wrote:
zeezrom wrote:
Ever considered it before? Just curious.


I think Marcion may have considered something along those lines. If I remember correctly, Marcion believed there were two gods, the evil god of the Old Testament who was in opposition to the true god of the New Testament.

But I think everybody believes their god will win in the end, even though this belief strikes at the heart of human freedom.

Only one god can win.

What if my god is a loser?

All the Best!

--Consiglieri


My God allows children to be abused.
So does yours...
And yours...
And...
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just me wrote:What about Jesus' administration will be different from the teachings of Christianity? I ask because the teachings of Christianity have not made men behave themselves as of yet...and it has been a nearly 2000 year experiment. How will Jesus change reality or humanity?


This is one of the things I like about Mormon theology--the idea that man must first govern himself in righteousness within the context of a similarly minded community before Jesus can come again.

Let Zion go forth that Zion may come.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri
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Drifting wrote:My God allows children to be abused.
So does yours...
And yours...
And...


Yes, you are right.

But what if God can't prevent it, any more than I can stop the guy at Mount Rainier from shooting that park ranger?

I am just asking a question here. I don't pretend to know.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri
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Drifting wrote:My God allows children to be abused.
So does yours...
And yours...
And...

No Drifting.

My God doesn't want it to happen. She tries to help but is unable to because She is not infinite and all-powerful.
Oh for shame, how the mortals put the blame on us gods, for they say evils come from us, but it is they, rather, who by their own recklessness win sorrow beyond what is given... Zeus (1178 BC)

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zeezrom wrote:
Drifting wrote:My God allows children to be abused.
So does yours...
And yours...
And...

No Drifting.

My God doesn't want it to happen. She tries to help but is unable to because She is not infinite and all-powerful.


Then She isn't a God.
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.”
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Drifting wrote:Then She isn't a God.

Why not?
Oh for shame, how the mortals put the blame on us gods, for they say evils come from us, but it is they, rather, who by their own recklessness win sorrow beyond what is given... Zeus (1178 BC)

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Runtu wrote:It wasn't asked of me, but here's my thought. I think human beings are, by nature, interested in self-preservation. That is often the impetus behind sinful actions; in other words, we do things because we like to do them, not because Satan is tempting us or because we are evil or good.
If that's true (and I think it is), humans are going to be humans, regardless of who is in charge. People will do things that hurt themselves and others because that is what humans do out of a desire to survive or to have more of whatever it is they want. They don't need Satan to get them to do those things.


By nature, the lion will eat the lamb … and yet one of the main concepts of the New Jerusalem is that it is a Paradisiacal existence, where the lion lays with the lamb. I assume just as miraculous of a human nature change could be expected.
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Drifting wrote:Then She isn't a God.


Uh-oh.

This could get ugly.
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consiglieri wrote:
Drifting wrote:Then She isn't a God.


Uh-oh.

This could get ugly.


I hope not as I don't mean offence.

Zee,
From the wiki-God...


God is most often conceived of as the supernatural creator and overseer of the universe. Theologians have ascribed a variety of attributes to the many different conceptions of God. The most common among these include omniscience (infinite knowledge), omnipotence (unlimited power), omnipresence (present everywhere), omnibenevolence (perfect goodness), divine simplicity, and eternal and necessary existence.
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.”
Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric

"One, two, three...let's go shopping!"
Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
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