It is astonishing how many in my ward and past ward(s) go out of their way to hate GLBTs. The same hate is often passed onto the youth. It must be exhausting for one to spend so much energy hating GLBTs.
by the way, I once expressed that a person often times does not leave over 'sin' and I was treated as if I was tossing human waste at everyone in the room.
Yep, that's pretty much how it went. Before then, the only time I had walked out of a Gospel Doctrine lesson was in a ward in Texas where they were discussing the Apostasy. Basically, they spent the whole time trashing all the other churches in town, and when I spoke up, I got attacked. So, I left rather than escalate things.
It is astonishing how many in my ward and past ward(s) go out of their way to hate GLBTs. The same hate is often passed onto the youth. It must be exhausting for one to spend so much energy hating GLBTs.
by the way, I once expressed that a person often times does not leave over 'sin' and I was treated as if I was tossing human waste at everyone in the room.
Yep, that's pretty much how it went. Before then, the only time I had walked out of a Gospel Doctrine lesson was in a ward in Texas where they were discussing the Apostasy. Basically, they spent the whole time trashing all the other churches in town, and when I spoke up, I got attacked. So, I left rather than escalate things.
I think you find that sort of thing quite a lot in more conservative areas of the church. I have a very liberal ward right now and we very rarely discuss other churches or apostates. When it comes to other churches people are very ecumenical. When it comes to apostates, they're less charitable, but not fire-breathing.
However, in most of the wards I've lived in it was more like what you describe.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
Buffalo wrote:I think you find that sort of thing quite a lot in more conservative areas of the church. I have a very liberal ward right now and we very rarely discuss other churches or apostates. When it comes to other churches people are very ecumenical. When it comes to apostates, they're less charitable, but not fire-breathing.
However, in most of the wards I've lived in it was more like what you describe.
Maybe so. I don't recall ever running into anything like that in my ward in California. We weren't quite as hip as why me's ward, but not all that conservative, either.
Buffalo wrote:I think you find that sort of thing quite a lot in more conservative areas of the church. I have a very liberal ward right now and we very rarely discuss other churches or apostates. When it comes to other churches people are very ecumenical. When it comes to apostates, they're less charitable, but not fire-breathing.
However, in most of the wards I've lived in it was more like what you describe.
Maybe so. I don't recall ever running into anything like that in my ward in California. We weren't quite as hip as why me's ward, but not all that conservative, either.
Well, most wards ARE very conservative, I think. Certainly in the West (excluding a few liberal ares in California, and possibly Portland/Seattle), where the bulk of active members live.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
Runtu wrote:The church definitely goes out of its way to portray apostates as evil degenerates, which really doesn't help strengthen families who are dealing with apostate members. Not long ago, there was a Sunday School lesson about people who leave the church (If I recall correctly, it was when the Joseph Smith manual was being used), and I remember that the class turned into one long attack on people who leave, assigning all the worst motives. I ended up leaving because I knew I was going to say something and cause a scene.
It probably all wasn't all that bad. People are people. However, you should have opened your mouth and said something. You could have said your opinion in a nice way and made an impact. I have no idea just how people will learn or get a different perspective if people keep their mouths shut. You and just me will have done very little to change minds if you both continue to keep the mouth shut.
Then you didn't read Dianiad's post over at CAF where she said that just because a person was an apostate, you couldn't trust anything they said.
Boy you have selective reading comprehension, among other things.