Where will Hill Cumorah be after the Old Guard has passed?

[_sock puppet]

I simply do not understand how Peterson and other apologist can assert that the church has never had a position on the location of Hill Cumorah. Exactly how many prophets and apostles must declare something before it is considered a position?

Unless it is the Prophet Midgley or the Prophet Peterson, it doesn't count at NAMIRS.

[_sock puppet]

21 years of silence. Within 10 years, in all likelihood TSM, BKP and LTP will have died. When the new guard takes over, what is the likelihood that with an entire generation having passed and 30 years at that, will it be that Prophets Hamlin and Peterson will get their wish: an official pronouncement that the Church has no position on the location of the Book of Mormon Hill Cumorah?

Doest this count? This would make it only 10 years of silence.

"I am . . . glad to be back and walk this ground where Moroni walked so very, very long ago."
GBH 2002

http://www.ldschurchnews.com/articles/42079/Visitors-center-dedicated-where-Moroni-walked.html

Again, the list of prophets and apostles that have said the Hill Cumorah is in upstate NY is long:
Joseph Fielding Smith
Marion G Romney
BH Roberts
Orson Pratt
James Talmage
Bruce R McConkie
Mark E Peterson
Gordon B Hinckley

How is this not considered the church's position?
One guy can say to wear only one set of earrings and that is the church's position, but eight prophets of the Almighty aren't good enough for the mopologetic crew?...and they think we are the apostates.

Yes, the apologetic either calls into question everything that each of them has ever said because they obviously cannot tell the difference between real inspiration from elohim/jehovah and stuff that pops into their craniums without elohim/jehovah's involvement, or these guys have such faulty receivers that they do not get the inspiration signal that elohim/jehovah is transmitting to them, which also calls into question everything that each has ever said because he didn't get the message from elohim/jehovah 'straight' or understand it or its intended context. Either way, this apologetic just renders these men to be old fools that can be disregarded in their entirety--speed-bump fodder for the proverbial bus.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I have to agree with the Psycho. It's better to remain ambiguous and speculative rather than iterating a definitive statement. God is more focused on the here and now, like buidling malls, rather than providing answers to things like cancer and dark matter. You know. Important stuff.

- VRDRC

[Guest]

Anti-mormon assumptions are not the same as the actual facts concerning the Church.

There have ALWAYS been "two" Cumorahs......

You all forget that Moroni TRAVELED many miles and years before he ultimately deposited the plates, clearly in a Cumorah not the same as the traditional one. Even the OLD "Voice from the Dust" or whatever video compilation shows this from some 30 years ago.

In fact, you idiots don't even realize that the Book of Mormon doesn't even state WERE Moroni deposited the plates. The NY Cumorah was called that LATER!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumorah

ldsfaqs,

Perhaps you should calm down, lose the CAPS, read what has been written, look up the references, and then think for a minute before responding.

As has been discussed on other threads, it is pretty clear that you and subgenius do not know very much about the doctrine and teachings of LDS Church compared to many of the critics who post on this board.

Just so you understand, the LDS prophets listed in the above posts have stated, unequivocally, that the Hill Cumorah site in upstate New York, where Joseph Smith claims to have found the golden plates, is the same place where the great and final battle described in the Book of Mormon took place (the complete lack of any archeological evidence of such a battle notwithstanding).

This position of the First Presidency of the Church was re-affirmed in 1990 in the so-called Watson Letter, which has been referred to above. If you have not seen this letter, there are a number of signed copies of it available on the internet.

Before you start referring to folks who obviously know a whole lot more than you do about the LDS Church and its history as "idiots", you should do your homework. You could learn a lot here.

I would expect that, once you determine for yourself that sock and the others who have posted above are, in fact, fairly and accurately representing LDS belief in this matter, you would apologize to them.

[_sock puppet]

Anti-mormon assumptions are not the same as the actual facts concerning the Church.

There have ALWAYS been "two" Cumorahs......

You all forget that Moroni TRAVELED many miles and years before he ultimately deposited the plates, clearly in a Cumorah not the same as the traditional one. Even the OLD "Voice from the Dust" or whatever video compilation shows this from some 30 years ago.

In fact, you idiots don't even realize that the Book of Mormon doesn't even state WERE Moroni deposited the plates. The NY Cumorah was called that LATER!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumorah

Weebles wobble but they don't fall down.

[_Shulem]

an official pronouncement that the Church has no position on the location of the Book of Mormon Hill Cumorah?

The church has already offered the world its official position on Cumorah -- repeatedly by the mouths of its prophets. Anything it now trys to say to back away from New York is just PR spins and the world will not buy it. The church made its bed long ago and must lie in it. Only the faithfull are stupid enough to fall for the PR tricks of the modern LDS church. The world sees right through it. Infact, anyone outside of Mormonism with half a brain sees right through it. The LDS church insults the intelligence of good thinking people when it trys to back away from the New York Cumorah. It's rude and insulting. Do Mormons really think that people are that stupid?

And, I hope Joseph Fielding Smith is rolling in his grave.

Paul O

[_Shulem]

The Brethren have again failed to learn by history, that by making dogmatic statements such as the location of the Hill Cumorah, they are painting themselves into a corner that ultimately cannot be defended. Of course, should Church leaders who believe in the Mexico-Cumorah arise, they will simply say "the earlier Brethren spoke with limited light and knowledge, but now we have NEW LIGHT that sheds more light". It's the "New Light" thing. Explains-away all contradictions. The Watchtower uses it to explain differences in their own statments. Works like a charm...for the faithful.

Actually, it's the BYU school teachers and some church leaders who are attempting to spread darkness over the lighted statements made by their former prophets and apostles whom they once held in such high esteem. But now we see that Mormons are traitors to their own prophets!

Prophet against prophet and the whole Mormon house comes crashing down! The foundations of Mormonism is built upon a lie. And they want people to join that and cough up 10 percent of their income!

Paul O

[_Shulem]

I simply do not understand how Peterson and other apologist can assert that the church has never had a position on the location of Hill Cumorah. Exactly how many prophets and apostles must declare something before it is considered a position?

It's clear that modern Mormonism is at war with old Mormonism. They are trying to reconfigure their doctrine and history to suit their own needs. It's totally dishonest and disgusting to watch this. I think in the end that the word Mormonism will become synonymous with the word dishonesty. It's kind of like claiming there is a king's name written in the writing of Facsimile No. 3 -- when infact, it has been proven scientifically that there is no king's name and that Joseph Smith lied.

Paul O

[_bcspace]

After TSM, BKP and LTP have all passed, where will the Book of Mormon Hill Cumorah be located, per LDS teachings

Where it has always been. In upstate NY with the distinct and Book of Mormon supported possibility of there having been a first one somewhere else where the last battle was.

[_Yoda]

After TSM, BKP and LTP have all passed, where will the Book of Mormon Hill Cumorah be located, per LDS teachings

Where it has always been. In upstate NY with the distinct and Book of Mormon supported possibility of there having been a first one somewhere else where the last battle was.

BC, I understand that this is your theory. Is this the official LGT apologetic theory as well?