Where will Hill Cumorah be after the Old Guard has passed?

[Guest]

If, as you state, the reference is only referring to the hill we know about, nothing more, nothing less, then why were both of these scriptural references used to describe the Hill Cumorah without any explanation of distinguishing two different hills? It simply doesn't make any sense.

So, Liz, are you saying that the only references to a 2nd Cumorah comes from apologetic sources and not official LDS sources? I am starting to think that you, as a believing Mormon, haven't studied Mormonism as much as LDS"faqs" - if only you had attended 30 different wards and partially completed seminary :).

[_Runtu]

WTF was that supposed to mean?

Beats me. Maybe sarcasm is lost on some people.

[Guest]

Sorry, but you all don't even close to knowing the religion that I know.

You're right that we aren't even close to knowing whatever religion it is you are talking about. In this thread, though, we are discussing what is taught by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. If you could confine your ranting to what everyone else is discussing, it may help the apparent confusion.

[_Yoda]

It's official LDS doctrine since at least the two-part Sorenson article. I would argue that it's so clear in the Book of Mormon, that it's been doctrine since day one. Moroni, having wandered for decades hunted and pursued, buries them in upstate NY and calls it Cumorah just like the place the the plates were stored when he originally got them was called Cumorah.

BC--Based on the information Drifting posted, I would like to submit to you (and any other apologist who cares to answer) the same question I posed to LDSfaq.

If it is so clear that there were 2 Cumorahs in the Book of Mormon, why has there been so much confusion surrounding the issue for years? Also, if, as you say, the two-part Sorenson article is official LDS doctrine, then why did the Church not make this more clear on LDS.org? You would think that since the Church encourages members (and, frankly anyone curious about Mormonism) to search LDS.org, the brethren would want the most accurate information regarding something this fundamental to be readily accessible.

[_Runtu]

You're right that we aren't even close to knowing whatever religion it is you are talking about. In this thread, thought, we are discussing what is taught by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. If you could confine your ranting to what everyone else is discussing, it may help the apparent confusion.

If nothing else, the church ldsfaqs describes sounds a little more interesting than the LDS church. Can you imagine testimony meeting if everyone were ranting like that? I might even be able to stay awake for that.

[_Drifting]

It's official LDS doctrine since at least the two-part Sorenson article. I would argue that it's so clear in the Book of Mormon, that it's been doctrine since day one. Moroni, having wandered for decades hunted and pursued, buries them in upstate NY and calls it Cumorah just like the place the the plates were stored when he originally got them was called Cumorah.

BC--Based on the information Drifting posted, I would like to submit to you (and any other apologist who cares to answer) the same question I posed to LDSfaq.

If it is so clear that there were 2 Cumorahs in the Book of Mormon, why has there been so much confusion surrounding the issue for years? Also, if, as you say, the two-part Sorenson article is official LDS doctrine, then why did the Church not make this more clear on LDS.org? You would think that since the Church encourages members (and, frankly anyone curious about Mormonism) to search LDS.org, the brethren would want the most accurate information regarding something this fundamental to be readily accessible.

Bcspace, is lying.
I don't think he means it as a lie, but he isn't telling the truth all the same. That LDS.org clearly states that the hill in New York and the hill in the Book of Mormon are one and the same shines the light of truth on his opinion.

[_Yoda]

Bcspace, is lying.
I don't think he means it as a lie, but he isn't telling the truth all the same. That LDS.org clearly states that the hill in New York and the hill in the Book of Mormon are one and the same shines the light of truth on his opinion.

I don't think that BC is lying. He honestly believes that there are 2 Cumorahs, and he has always been MDB's "residential expert" on what connotates official Church doctrine and what doesn't. I will find it interesting if BC concludes that LDS.org is not considered "official Church doctrine", particularly since members who are teachers are consistently encouraged to use LDS.org as prime source material. My point is, whether LDS.org is considered official Church doctrine or not, the fact that it is still encouraged to be primarily utilized by teachers should mean that the material found there should be accurately compiled. With all of the confusion on this matter, why wasn't the fact that there are 2 Cumorahs more explicitly explained? It simply doesn't make any sense.

It would have been very simple for LDS.org to have published the following:

Cumorah, Hill

See also Book of Mormon; Moroni, Son of Mormon; Smith, Joseph, Jr..

A small hill located in western New York, United States of America. Here an ancient prophet named Moroni hid the gold plates containing some of the records of the Nephite and Jaredite nations. Joseph Smith was directed to this hill in 1827 by the resurrected Moroni to get these plates and translate a portion of them. This translation is the Book of Mormon.

The Hill Cumorah also refers to a separate hill where all but 24 Nephites were slain. This hill is believed to be located in MesoAmerica. After years of travel and living in hiding to protect the plates, Moroni hid the records in the Hill Cumorah in western New York, where he directed Joseph Smith to find them, and later translate them.

Nephites gathered at Cumorah, Morm. 6:2–4
Cumorah was in a land of many waters, Morm. 6:4
Mormon hid the records in the Hill Cumorah, Morm. 6:6
All but twenty and four Nephites were slain at Cumorah, Morm. 6:11
We hear glad tidings from Cumorah, D&C 128:20
Joseph Smith took plates from the Hill Cumorah, Joseph Smith—H 1:42, 50–54, 59

Wouldn't a reference like this be more understandable?

[_Drifting]

Liz, your proposal for the Hill Cumorah topical guide entry would involve throwing Joseph under the bus...again...

[_Runtu]

Liz, your proposal for the Hill Cumorah topical guide entry would involve throwing Joseph under the bus...again...

Whatever it takes.

[_Yoda]

Liz, your proposal for the Hill Cumorah topical guide entry would involve throwing Joseph under the bus...again...

Then Sorenson's article, which BC claims is official Church doctrine already throws Joseph Smith under the bus...as does anyone who engages in any type of theory involving a second Hill Cumorah.