Deseret News Article: Proof of the Flood

[_bcspace]

Maybe so. I just have found very little of any substance in the Deseret News since they axed most of their staff. This just seems to be more evidence that the paper has, in a real sense, ceased to exist.

So axing of staff invalidates a new source? Yet another error in correlation. The NY Times continuously axes their staff..... (but I might still agree they are not a news source ;) )

[_Runtu]

So axing of staff invalidates a new source? Yet another error in correlation. The NY Times continuously axes their staff..... (but I might still agree they are not a news source ;) )

Nope, a consistent pattern of "news" stories that are summaries of other reporting and junk like this invalidates a news source.

[_bcspace]

Nope, a consistent pattern of "news" stories that are summaries of other reporting and junk like this invalidates a news source.

Too subjective as even I must admit.

[_Quasimodo]

Non sequitur. Am familiar with wave patterns. Can see them all over the ancient Lake Missoula area for example. But a one time flood, how is that preserved? If the flood was global, how come we have living organisms that are over 80,000 years old extant? How come there is no break in over 20,000 years of fire traces in Yellowstone (trees knocked down rather than burned down? How come coral reefs show no evidence of the Flood? etc etc.

Just a response to your statement... "I have not heard of a process that ultimately freezes currents and eddies of water in stone."

Clearly this is one. However, if you're arguing against the flood, please continue.

I'm not a believer in a global flood and local ones don't fit the scriptures.

[_Runtu]

Nope, a consistent pattern of "news" stories that are summaries of other reporting and junk like this invalidates a news source.

Too subjective as even I must admit.

I suppose you haven't read the DesNews lately. Here are some things I think demonstrate an obvious decline in quality:

1. Local news is almost entirely done by freelancers, much of it written poorly (I know, subjective).

2. A lot of local governments have written their own articles and submitted them through pseudonyms under the guise of these freelance reporters (most famously, West Valley City mayor Mike Winder wrote several articles extolling the virtues of his city under a pen name).

3. Much of the news produced by staff has been summaries, which are brief pieces that link to reporting elsewhere.

4. The News has decided to focus its efforts on "values" reporting, which for the most part is also outsourced to freelancers.

I expect more from a news outlet. Maybe you don't.

[_bcspace]

Better science found here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wave,_Arizona#cite_note-Seiler2008a-0

http://content.lib.utah.edu/cgi-bin/showfile.exe?CISOROOT=/us-etd2&CISOPTR=109657&CISOMODE=print

[Guest]

I have not heard of a process that ultimately freezes currents and eddies of water in stone.

BC,

Examples of how these shoreline and wavelike sediment deposition patterns are preserved can be seen at this website that describes Glacial Lake Missoula and the downstream consequences of periodic catastrophic floods, including the channeled scablands of Southeastern Washington State.

From the images and video here you will see how the features are formed. Please notice the periodicity or "wavelength" (some of 100 feet or more) of the ripple features in the video and in the Google Earth aerial images. They are much larger than the small ripples one sees at a lakeshore for example. This is because of the shear energy involved when several hundred cubic miles of water are released from a failed dam that is hundreds of feet high.

Notice the droprocks, erratics, varves, rhythmites, and strandline features that these periodic floods left behind. We incorporated a droprock from one of these floods that was the size of a small car into the landscaping of our home there. Our house was located several hundred feet above the valley floor.

These features can be "frozen in time" when the water retreats and the ripple patterns are buried, or even as they consolidate at or near the surface (as seen with the consolidated rock flour in the video at this website).
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ETA: Just saw that, while I was writing this post, you mentioned Lake Missoula, so sorry if all this is redundant. The website is still worth a look, however, if for nothing else but some nice photography.

[_bcspace]

I expect more from a news outlet. Maybe you don't.

If I were to judge the NY Times in similar fashion (and admittedly I do), I would come to the same conclusion about it. Subjective.

[_Runtu]

If I were to judge the NY Times in similar fashion (and admittedly I do), I would come to the same conclusion about it. Subjective.

I think the NY Times, though obviously biased, at least attempts to do its own reporting.

[_bcspace]

These features can be "frozen in time" when the water retreats and the ripple patterns are buried, or even as they consolidate at or near the surface (as seen with the consolidated rock flour in the video at this website).

Amen! But have you seen anything like the Wave in Arizona explained scientifically as swirling eddies of mud?

I think the NY Times, though obviously biased, at least attempts to do its own reporting.

Non sequitur. The DesNews also decides what to print whether it be by 30 people or half a dozen. They also are selecting articles from reporters in similar fashion and it makes no difference if they are their own reporters or not.