just me wrote:I'm really having a hard time not crying now. Thanks a lot Buff.
This is the stuff that actually tips me over to wanting to grab my children and RUN.
It would be a positive for you and your children. Is your husband hopelessly Mormon?
Pretty much. At minimum they'll have to go halfsies.
~Those who benefit from the status quo always attribute inequities to the choices of the underdog.~Ann Crittenden ~The Goddess is not separate from the world-She is the world and all things in it.~
oh...oh my god. I can't even believe that is a real thread.
~Those who benefit from the status quo always attribute inequities to the choices of the underdog.~Ann Crittenden ~The Goddess is not separate from the world-She is the world and all things in it.~
Guns, Germs, and Steel definitely discusses the ramifications of the cultivation of crops such as wheat and barley, plus the development of domesticated horses and cattle and whatnot. The book doesn't even mention Mormonism or the Book of Mormon at all, and yet still is devastating to them both.
The fact is that everything we know about societal development in the past tells us that a society which works hard and cultivates wheat and other staple crops, and has domesticated horses and cattle and so forth would utterly dominate a lazy, hunter-gatherer-like society both numerically and technologically.
A society practicing large-scale agricultural food production not only can reproduce far more than a society without it, but also has the ability to support a large segment of the society doing non-food production jobs such as professional soldiering, building construction, society administration, mining and metalworking and so forth. Societies where food production is limited to the kinds of low-yield methods that not practicing agriculture implies simply cannot match this, and will fall behind.
So the Book of Mormon has it ass-backwards. The industrious, horse-riding, wheat-growing Nephites would dominate the Lamanites numerically as well as technologically, and yet in the Book of Mormon the Lamanites were always depicted as this numerically superior horde. It's just completely wrong.
Not to mention, I'm really surprised that in 2012 that crap posted in the OP is still current in the church. It just goes to show that whoever wrote and produced that material, and whoever looked it over and thought it was a winner, simply have no freaking clue, both about the world, and also about how this makes them look.
Mormonism ceased being a compelling topic for me when I finally came to terms with its transformation from a personality cult into a combination of a real estate company, a SuperPac, and Westboro Baptist Church. - Kishkumen
Sethbag wrote:Not to mention, I'm really surprised that in 2012 that crap posted in the OP is still current in the church. It just goes to show that whoever wrote and produced that material, and whoever looked it over and thought it was a winner, simply have no freaking clue, both about the world, and also about how this makes them look.
I love the lazy lamanites picture. It's a white stereotype of an Indian reservation. It is awesomely offensive. I can picture the Utahan with his young son pointing at the "lazy" indians saying, "See that son? Them there are lamanites."
"We have taken up arms in defense of our liberty, our property, our wives, and our children; we are determined to preserve them, or die." - Captain Moroni - 'Address to the Inhabitants of Canada' 1775
Sethbag wrote:Guns, Germs, and Steel definitely discusses the ramifications of the cultivation of crops such as wheat and barley, plus the development of domesticated horses and cattle and whatnot. The book doesn't even mention Mormonism or the Book of Mormon at all, and yet still is devastating to them both.
The fact is that everything we know about societal development in the past tells us that a society which works hard and cultivates wheat and other staple crops, and has domesticated horses and cattle and so forth would utterly dominate a lazy, hunter-gatherer-like society both numerically and technologically.
A society practicing large-scale agricultural food production not only can reproduce far more than a society without it, but also has the ability to support a large segment of the society doing non-food production jobs such as professional soldiering, building construction, society administration, mining and metalworking and so forth. Societies where food production is limited to the kinds of low-yield methods that not practicing agriculture implies simply cannot match this, and will fall behind.
So the Book of Mormon has it ass-backwards. The industrious, horse-riding, wheat-growing Nephites would dominate the Lamanites numerically as well as technologically, and yet in the Book of Mormon the Lamanites were always depicted as this numerically superior horde. It's just completely wrong.
Not to mention, I'm really surprised that in 2012 that crap posted in the OP is still current in the church. It just goes to show that whoever wrote and produced that material, and whoever looked it over and thought it was a winner, simply have no freaking clue, both about the world, and also about how this makes them look.
This kind of thinking is apparently more prevalant in the Mormon Mind than one might imagine.
David Hume: "---Mistakes in philosophy are merely ridiculous, those in religion are dangerous."
DrW: "Mistakes in science are learning opportunities and are eventually corrected."
White people are lazier than Chinese people. Truth.
The longer a people have been civilized...the less "lazy" they are. Chinese have been civilized about the longest. Native Americans are in actuality pretty lazy people. Some exceptions. I'm part Cherokee myself, and I'm more lazy than the average white person.
The insensitivity/indifference to the blatant racism of those images and text is appalling, but not surprising from that crew. And then in another thread they have the gall to complain that Mormons are persecuted, when the Mormon church publishes this racist tripe against Native Americans.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
