CES employee resigns

[_Yahoo Bot]

You're just relying upon Catholic doctrine...

Bob...

Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox are synergistic in theology.

You got that right, but poor Pelagius didn't have the imperial connections.

[_Willy Law]

What would you say is the real reason for their departure?

They left because, like all of us here (yourself included), they discovered the church is not what it claims to be.

You are honestly contending that they left because the wife wanted to hook up with a gay blogger?

Strange behavior from Bot this day.

[_MrStakhanovite]

And thanks Bob for once again demonstrating one of the cardinal rules of Mopologetic behavior: When a believer or former believer is at their most vulnerable, that's the best time to kick them in the genitals. Bravo Bob, bravo!

I have done no such thing. I have only questioned why it is they don't tell us about their doctrinal issues and why they want to tell us about their marital peccadilloes. I don't care that she wants to travel away from her kids and hang out with another man. Not germane, not interesting, not relevant. Leave that in the closet.

But that is just it Bot, you can’t divorce theology from life, the two are intimately connected. Her need to escape isn’t just some personal failure that isn’t germane, it is totally relevant because she feels like her previous worldview has failed her in a fundamental way, and really, it did. It isn’t surprising, official church material is pablum and lifeless thanks to correlation, she needed what the Church sucks at providing.

I’m pretty confident that your whole motivation behind “he is self centered and didn’t know anything about Christ” is just one of your haymakers you like to throw out, hoping something lands. You want doctrine, but you can’t consistently even begin to define your own views of regeneration, much less the Church’s, why does he have to give a systematic theology when your own Church can’t produce one, much less you failing to comprehend basic theological terms?

Go be goon somewhere else.

[_Yahoo Bot]

Go be goon somewhere else.

That I will indeed do. I've had lots of fun over the years here. Seen lots come and go; made some friends. Some enemies, of course. I hope my pals Dr. Cam and Runtu will find their ways back!

YB

[_Polygamy-Porter]

And thanks Bob for once again demonstrating one of the cardinal rules of Mopologetic behavior: When a believer or former believer is at their most vulnerable, that's the best time to kick them in the genitals. Bravo Bobbo, bravo!

It's what the Mormon Jesus® would do.






Mormon Jesus
Hates Exmormons

[_why me]

I was certainly expecting something different when I listened to their podcast. Why me is right; they've got real issues. Looks like he's trying to keep their marriage together and she wants to hang out with somebody other than her husband, and they are using the church as some sort of foil.

They're crazy to expose their personal lives like this. I feel sorry for them. He's a nice guy.

I thought that what he said about his dad and his dad's first reaction was sad, especially if the dad apologized for his first reaction. I thought that it was unnecessary.

The couple seem to be at odds with attending church too. She attends every now and then and he doesn't. I hope that best for them but I don't think that it is smooth sailing in that home. There seem to be issues under the surface.

[_why me]

Some people I know immediately latch onto the personal problems of the "apostate" as the "real" reason they left the church. It's a curious phenomenon.

If you noticed, he apologized quite often to his wife for speaking too much etc. This is sign that all might not be well with them or there is sensitivity from past exerience with a domineering relationship.

Also, they had many spiritual experiences in the church. And they did want to come back. They were treated well by the apostle and by mark mcconkie. However, the bishop said something that turned them off. And I thought that this was sad. Something was urging them back into the fold and yet, they rejected it.

I don't think that both of them are on the same page with all their church issues.

[_why me]

Liz,

He said he isn't sure he believes in God anymore, let alone Christ.

And she says she believes in a God who is all-inclusive -- Gays (not that there is anything wrong with that), adulterers, unrepentant sinners, what have you.

And she wants to experiences the mysteries of life and wants the same for her children. No more boxes without realizing everyone is living in their own box anyway. Hard to escape our own box.

[_why me]

Is it possible for anybody to leave the Mormon Church without getting dumped on by members?

Or if they decide to leave, are they required to keep their traps shut about why?

(I ask this rhetorically, of course.)


All the Best!

--Consiglieri

I think that the members were fine with them. Of course they showed concern for them. As she said, they resigned quickly because they didn't want to be bothered by home teachers, visiting teachers, etc. They wanted to make a clean break. Then, they wanted to come back to the church. A meeting with a GA was even arranged to speak about it and that experience went well. They felt genuine love in that office. They were all set to come back. She didn't like the idea that they had to be baptized again and felt the bishop overstepped it a little with his comment about god also being a god of the old testament. They decided not be baptized but if she changes her mind it can happen in the future.

It seems that love was present for them in the GAs office complete with his home phone number to call him anytime. They had a quite powerful experience in that office.

[_why me]

I'd say it is best to keep your trap shut about marital problems and jealousies about relationships with other men.

Why?

It seems like you are getting a lot of traction using their honesty about their marital situation as a focus for the "real" reason they left the church.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

Here is a clue: what's on the internet never stays on the internet. It lasts forever. No sense in downing the father for his first reaction especially since he has since apologized. Not good for dad since that is what people remember. Some of dad's friends now know his first reaction etc. and people know just a little too much about their jealousies. Best to leave such things out of the interview.