White people are lazier than Chinese people. Truth.
The longer a people have been civilized...the less "lazy" they are. Chinese have been civilized about the longest. Native Americans are in actuality pretty lazy people. Some exceptions. I'm part Cherokee myself, and I'm more lazy than the average white person.
BS. I'm lazy, and my ancestors are English. That must mean the English are lazy.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
DrW wrote:This kind of thinking is apparently more prevalant in the Mormon Mind than one might imagine.
Oh my God! The closest any of the TBMs could come to thinking that was some pretty bad news stuff to have on the public website was the person who agreed with the prediction that the illustrated Book of Mormon book would probably be revised eventually.
Almost to a man or woman, the TBMs over there acted, or outright stated, that there was nothing at all wrong with it. Unbelievable.
Mormonism ceased being a compelling topic for me when I finally came to terms with its transformation from a personality cult into a combination of a real estate company, a SuperPac, and Westboro Baptist Church. - Kishkumen
Go back and look at the illustrations in the OP, and on the LDS.org site containing the whole chapter.
In all those pictures, the Nephites are shown with constructed (brick, stone, cement, whatever) buildings, or out working in the fields as part of organized agriculture, and with clothing that is obviously woven from cloth which had to be produced through technological means (ie: spun thread, then woven cloth, then sewn clothing).
The Lamanite images, however, show people killing game animals, animal carcasses hung up in the background, huts made of wooden poles with thatched roofs, at most loincloths with the exception of one old woman with some kind of tunic.
This is precisely the sort of depiction of Lamanites as hunter-gather types, and Nephites as industrious food growers with the excess food production capacity necessary to support the construction workers, weavers, seamstresses (and seamsters?) and so forth of a more advanced society.
This kind of depiction is just completely in contradiction with the depiction in the Book of Mormon of the Lamanites as this numerous horde that is much more populous than the Nephites. Mopologists may try to argue that a "close reading" of the Book of Mormon does not really suggest Lamanites as hunter-gatherers with Nephites as industrious food producers supporting specialists and whatnot, but they are arguing against the impression the Book of Mormon has left in their own leaders and the TBMs who wrote the book.
Mormonism ceased being a compelling topic for me when I finally came to terms with its transformation from a personality cult into a combination of a real estate company, a SuperPac, and Westboro Baptist Church. - Kishkumen
DrW wrote:This kind of thinking is apparently more prevalant in the Mormon Mind than one might imagine.
Oh my God! The closest any of the TBMs could come to thinking that was some pretty bad news stuff to have on the public website was the person who agreed with the prediction that the illustrated Book of Mormon book would probably be revised eventually.
Almost to a man or woman, the TBMs over there acted, or outright stated, that there was nothing at all wrong with it. Unbelievable.
Imagine if someone put out a children's book depicting Mormons as loathsome and lazy. They'd be writhing around in a "poor persecuted us" orgy.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
The people who followed Nephi obeyed God. They worked hard and were blessed. Nephi taught his people to build with wood and metal. They built a beautiful temple
Laman and Lemuel’s followers called themselves Lamanites. They became a dark-skinned people. God cursed them because of their wickedness.
The Lamanites became lazy and would not work.
So much for a "figurative" skin color change. It just goes to show that apologists represent an apostate fifth column trying to undermine and subvert the official doctrine of the church.
Some of the morphological changes in the Book of Mormon are clearly literal, and some are not. The multiple levels of meaning and symbolism in religious language and teachings such as found in the Book of Mormon support layered, textured meanings that can be understood to both reflect and imply each other.
Most importantly, the concept of "race" is found nowhere in the Book of Mormon (as it is, most prominently, among the contemporary cultural Left, for whom it (among other things) represents a sociocultural wedge through which they divide and tribalize various groups from one another as a means of attaining their true goal, political power). The cultural groups in play in the Book of Mormon alter their appearance (or it is altered) through both genetic changes and personal choice (dissenters from the Nephites in one instance mark themselves and take on the clothing and other norms of the Lamanites (their culture, in other words) of their own volition.
Lighter and darker skin in the Book of Mormon is both symbolic, literal, and cultural in importance. It has no racial connotation, but it does have importance to the concept of lineage and the "traditions of the fathers" as handed down through cultural dissemination.
Nothing is going to startle us more when we pass through the veil to the other side than to realize how well we know our Father [in Heaven] and how familiar his face is to us
- President Ezra Taft Benson
I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white.
Droopy wrote: Some of the morphological changes in the Book of Mormon are clearly literal, and some are not. The multiple levels of meaning and symbolism in religious language and teachings such as found in the Book of Mormon support layered, textured meanings that can be understood to both reflect and imply each other.
Most importantly, the concept of "race" is found nowhere in the Book of Mormon (as it is, most prominently, among the contemporary cultural Left, for whom it (among other things) represents a sociocultural wedge through which they divide and tribalize various groups from one another as a means of attaining their true goal, political power). The cultural groups in play in the Book of Mormon alter their appearance (or it is altered) through both genetic changes and personal choice (dissenters from the Nephites in one instance mark themselves and take on the clothing and other norms of the Lamanites (their culture, in other words) of their own volition.
Lighter and darker skin in the Book of Mormon is both symbolic, literal, and cultural in importance. It has no racial connotation, but it does have importance to the concept of lineage and the "traditions of the fathers" as handed down through cultural dissemination.
So when Spencer W Kimball confirmed that the darkies were turning into lighties through righteousness, just like in the Book of Mormon, literally before his very eyes, you are saying he lied?
And when the youth of today are counselled not to marry a partner of a different race that's not apartheid style thinking?
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
Drifting wrote:So when Spencer W Kimball confirmed that the darkies were turning into lighties through righteousness, just like in the Book of Mormon, literally before his very eyes, you are saying he lied?
Ah yes ... General Conference Report, October 1960; Improvement Era, December 1960, pp. 922–923.
I saw a striking contrast in the progress of the Indian people today .... The day of the Lamanites is nigh. For years they have been growing delightsome, and they are now becoming white and delightsome, as they were promised. In this picture of the twenty Lamanite missionaries, fifteen of the twenty were as light as Anglos, five were darker but equally delightsome. The children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation. At one meeting a father and mother and their sixteen-year-old daughter we represent, the little member girl—sixteen—sitting between the dark father and mother, and it was evident she was several shades lighter than her parents—on the same reservation, in the same hogan, subject to the same sun and wind and weather.... These young members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness. One white elder jokingly said that he and his companion were donating blood regularly to the hospital in the hope that the process might be accelerated.
It was all just ...er ... symbolic. Or something.
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.