Racist Book of Mormon Stories - Refuting the Mopologists

[_Drifting]

Before 1978 members with black skin considered unworthy to go to the Temple even though they could demonstrate the same adherence to the worthiness measurements as members with white skin?

What additional measurement did these members fail regardless of their own actions and behaviour that the white members were able to pass?

What additional question(s) were asked by Bishops to help filter out members suffering from curse of Cain affliction?

[_Droopy]

A blue collar kid marrying into the Heinz family also may or may not work, based upon the same concerns.

Droopy, I would like to see a statement from the Church advising youth to marry within their same socioeconomic status. Would you like to cite one for me?

No, I don't have all the old copies of the Ensign and New Era that would be required, but its what I was taught was one, among a potential body, or things to consider.

[_Runtu]

No, we should make our marital decisions based upon revelation and the best chances of a harmonious interaction and relationship between the two spouses and the respective cultural background of each. This is what I am (vainly, it seems yet again) attempting to get across. It can be better to stay within one's own ethnic group, socioeconomic background, educational level, and other variables. There is nothing hard and fast about h is, only, as a mean, its probably wise counsel.

I think you're confusing race with ethnicity. The counsel is about race, not ethnicity: "We recommend that people marry those who are of the same racial background generally." Ethnicity is determined by a group of people who identify with each other for shared cultural or heritage reasons. Race has to do with, as you said, "morphological features," not shared culture and heritage. As I said, cultural differences are legitimate concerns. Physical characteristics should not be.

Would it be wise for an upper middle class university student to marry a woman raised and enculturated within the inner city welfare underclass? It might work, but rolling those dice might also, and I'd say quite likely, end in disaster for all concerned.

Again, these are not racial issues, unless you are making assumptions about which races are upper middle class and which live in the inner city.

A blue collar kid marrying into the Heinz family also may or may not work, based upon the same concerns.

Of course. Again, these are not racial issues at all, so you're making my point.

Most Americans do not see Mexicans in this manner. Ground Control to Major John, you're suffering from space fever. Take your meds.

I did not say most Americans see Mexicans this way. It is, however, indisputable that such stereotypes about Mexicans are widespread in the US. Maybe I'm just jaundiced because my parents believe these stereotypes.

Not long ago I had the following conversation with my mother:

Mom: [Niece] is moving into a different school on the other side of [their city].

Me: Why?

Mom: It's a better school. The one she's been attending has a high percentage of Hispanics, and you know how that damages the educational environment.

Me: But, Mom, [Niece] is Hispanic.

Mom: She's Cuban. Most of her school is, you know, Mexican.

I have heard things like this all my life growing up here in the west.

[_Chap]

OK. So Droopy knows he was wrong about Kimball and skin whitening from church activity, so we won't hear another word from him on that subject.

[_Drifting]

A blue collar kid marrying into the Heinz family also may or may not work, based upon the same concerns.

Droopy, I would like to see a statement from the Church advising youth to marry within their same socioeconomic status. Would you like to cite one for me?

The same teaching manual that recommends marrying with racial confines also suggests that they marry within, social, educational, and economic categories too. (AP manual 3 lesson 31)

So thick shouldn't marry bright
Rich shouldn't marry poor

[_Runtu]

Droopy, I would like to see a statement from the Church advising youth to marry within their same socioeconomic status. Would you like to cite one for me?

I'm not Droopy, but here you go:

“We recommend that people marry those who are of the same racial background generally, and of somewhat the same economic and social and educational background (some of those are not an absolute necessity, but preferred), and above all, the same religious background, without question” (“Marriage and Divorce,” in 1976 Devotional Speeches of the Year [Provo: Brigham Young University Press, 1977], p. 144).

[_Runtu]

Yuk. Maybe we just leave it to Droopy to think of what he deserves to get back in response to a dig like this. Poor guy.

Yeah, cheap shot. I will just say I've never taken a shot at Droopy's substance-abuse problems. I guess I can be sanctimonious in that, at least.

[_DarkHelmet]

So, God advises us to make marital decisions based on what our racist families and neighbors might say? Yikes.

No, we should make our marital decisions based upon revelation

Oh. You're one of those guys.

[_Buffalo]

Yuk. Maybe we just leave it to Droopy to think of what he deserves to get back in response to a dig like this. Poor guy.

Yeah, cheap shot. I will just say I've never taken a shot at Droopy's substance-abuse problems. I guess I can be sanctimonious in that, at least.

Don't worry, there are assholes like me here to do it for you.

Hey Droopy, next time try laying off the Jack Daniels before posting. You might not get your ass handed to you so readily.

[_Buffalo]

Oh. You're one of those guys.

My wife went to BYU. The pickup line of socially-inept Mormon boys everywhere started out with, "I had a revelation about you..."