More Questions Surface About DCP's Use of Sources

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This is the reason I've never engaged with DCP. Every bit of his online discussion, here, there or anywhere, just reinforced the original impression I got from "Text and Context."
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brade wrote:Because it makes it sounds like super smart logician guys in the world's universities are toiling away sorting out the logical complexity of the ad hominem. You know, virtually all logicians think it's totally right up there with Modus Tollens or Hypothetical Syllogism.


I forgot, he's out there on the cutting edge.
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Here's a rhetorical question for you: Which is more likely--that the Church will become more tolerant of homosexuals? Or that DCP will disavow his use of the Jones text?

I have to say: for a guy who is so concerned about getting unfairly labeled an "anti-semite," the inclusion of a book by this author--with no subsequent disavowal--represents a major problem.
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Doctor Scratch wrote:Here's a rhetorical question for you: Which is more likely--that the Church will become more tolerant of homosexuals? Or that DCP will disavow his use of the Jones text?
We'll probably have wait a few decades for either to happen.

Doctor Scratch wrote:I have to say: for a guy who is so concerned about getting unfairly labeled an "anti-semite," the inclusion of a book by this author--with no subsequent disavowal--represents a major problem.


I thought the same. I was stunned.
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Morley wrote:
Doctor Scratch wrote:Here's a rhetorical question for you: Which is more likely--that the Church will become more tolerant of homosexuals? Or that DCP will disavow his use of the Jones text?
We'll probably have wait a few decades for either to happen.

Doctor Scratch wrote:I have to say: for a guy who is so concerned about getting unfairly labeled an "anti-semite," the inclusion of a book by this author--with no subsequent disavowal--represents a major problem.


I thought the same. I was stunned.


This is just one reason among many why Old Guard Mopologists is in the process of self-destructing.
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Unbelievable. I wouldn't in a million years cite that garbage to support an argument. Vile. (For clarity, and since Daniel evidently thought I was calling him vile, the word vile is being used here to describe Jones' views.)

Morley wrote:The full title of the Jones book is telling: Degenerate Moderns: Modernity as Rationalized Sexual Misbehavior.

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The Southern Poverty Law Center certainly doesn't have a high opinion of E. Michael Jones or his propaganda machine, Culture Wars/Fidelity Press. They say, in part:

Jones runs through all the usual anti-Semitic canards -- the ideas that "Jewish media elites" run the country, that Jews are "major players" in pornography, and that Jews are behind Masonry and the French Revolution -- but that's only the start. He also accuses Jews of poisoning society with thinkers such as Karl Marx (a devotee of Satan, says Jones) and Sigmund Freud (who set off an epidemic of sexual sin, he says). And he describes the World War II Nazi genocide of the Jews as "a reaction to Jewish Messianism (in the form of Bolshevism)."


...and...

Last April, in an article raging about a new president of Notre Dame University, Jones charged that anyone who went to a mainstream university would emerge "with a Jewish world view … and maybe a Jewish spouse."


Link: http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2006/winter/the-dirty-dozen?page=0,2.



Perhaps Daniel should look elsewhere for justification for his beliefs.
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Wow. Just... wow.

In 1996, Jones changed the name of his magazine to Culture Wars, and he has increasingly focused on the alleged evils of the Jews as he adds to his "continuing series on the Jews." The magazine's cover stories over the last year or so are instructive: "Judaizing: Then and Now," "John Huss and the Jews," "The Converso Problem: Then and Now," "The Judaism of Hitler," "Shylock Comes to Notre Dame" and so on. Jones runs through all the usual anti-Semitic canards -- the ideas that "Jewish media elites" run the country, that Jews are "major players" in pornography, and that Jews are behind Masonry and the French Revolution -- but that's only the start. He also accuses Jews of poisoning society with thinkers such as Karl Marx (a devotee of Satan, says Jones) and Sigmund Freud (who set off an epidemic of sexual sin, he says). And he describes the World War II Nazi genocide of the Jews as "a reaction to Jewish Messianism (in the form of Bolshevism)." Last April, in an article raging about a new president of Notre Dame University, Jones charged that anyone who went to a mainstream university would emerge "with a Jewish world view … and maybe a Jewish spouse." Jones, who has written nine books and hundreds of articles, regularly cites extremist sources, especially the American Free Press run by veteran anti-Semite Willis Carto. He also has taken up race, most obviously in his "Rooted Culture" conferences that include a trip to Germany. The 2005 trip theme would be familiar to any neo-Nazi -- "the continuing deracination in Germany." Jones has one other line of business that would be familiar to the racist right: the "neo-ethnic songs" he sells as part of a bid to create what he calls a true "Volk" music.
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Check this out:
http://jhate.wordpress.com/2011/05/28/e-michael-jones-the-newest-anti-semite-on-iranian-tv/
Press TV, the English-language TV channel sponsored by the Iranian government, has now roped another noted anti-Semite into its stable of news commentators: Eugene Michael Jones, a traditionalist Catholic who edits the extremist monthly, Culture Wars. So far Jones has appeared twice on Press TV. By the standards of Press TV — which promotes the Protocols of the Elders of Zion (hat tip: ModernityBlog) and alleges that Jews harvest gentile organs — Jones’ commentary has been rather mild. In his debut interview he claimed that the Israel lobby determines the outcomes of US elections, and a few days later he said that lobby forces the US to put the interests of Israel ahead of the good of American citizens. Yawn.

If Jones wanted to, he could spin anti-Semitic conspiracy theories on Press TV with the best of them. Eugene Michael Jones is known to analysts of anti-Semitism as E. Michael Jones, a publisher of anti-Semitic traditionalist Catholic books and periodicals since the early 1980s. Jones believes that Jews have worked tirelessly throughout history to undermine Christian societies, and he has devoted thousands of pages of his magazine to mapping these alleged Jewish plots across the millennia in minute detail. (He helpfully put it all into a 1,200-page book called The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit and Its Impact on World History.) No need to rehash Jones’ entire story here; ADL has an excellent entry on him.
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The Anti-Defamation League has a web entry devoted to Jones:

http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/E-Michael-Jones/default.asp?LEARN_Cat=Extremism&LEARN_SubCat=Extremism_in_America&xpicked=2&item=EMJones

E. Michael Jones
Introduction

E. Michael Jones is a Catholic writer who seeks to defend traditional Catholic teachings and values from those he perceives as seeking to undermine them. At various times such diverse groups as Protestants, urban planners, and moviemakers have been the subjects of his ire, but a longstanding obsession of Jones is the damage that he believes Jews are inflicting on the Catholic Church and western civilization.

Born: May 1948
Full name: Eugene Michael Jones
Residence: South Bend, Indiana
Organization: Fidelity Press
Ideology: Traditionalist Catholic anti-Semitic conspiracy theorist
Extremist Affiliations: Although he is not formally linked to any extremist organization, Jones maintains connections with a host of anti-Semites and other extremists, including Hesham Tillawi, Henry Makow, Peter Schaenk, and Israel Shamir. His writings have been praised by racist Alex Linder, and Jones cites extremist sources, including Michael A. Hoffman II and Kevin MacDonald, in his books.
Periodicals: Culture Wars magazine (formerly Fidelity magazine, 1981-1996)
Books: Author of ten books, including The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit and Its Impact on World History (2008); Libido Dominandi: Sexual Liberation and Political Control (2005); The Slaughter of Cities: Urban Renewal as Ethnic Cleansing (2004); Monsters from the Id: The Rise of Horror in Fiction and Film (2000); Living Machines: Bauhaus Architecture as Sexual Ideology (1995); Dionysos Rising: The Birth of Cultural Revolution Out of the Spirit of Music (1994); Degenerate Moderns: Modernity as Rationalized Sexual Misbehavior (1993); and Is Notre Dame Still Catholic? (1989).


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And so this wacko anti-Semitic bigot is the guy who was called brilliant in the piece Scratch quoted above.... BIZARRE.

In the brilliant third chapter of Degenerate Moderns, entitled "Homosexual as Subversive," E. Michael Jones demonstrates the crucial and explanatory role of personal lifestyle not only in the traitorous career of Sir Anthony Blunt, but in the theories of John Maynard Keynes, the biographical writings of Lytton Strachey, and the novels of E. M. Forster. "Modernity was the exoteric version of Bloomsbury biography; it was a radically homosexual vision of the world and therefore of its very nature subversive; treason was its logical outcome. . .

As their involvement in sodomy increases, so also does their opposition to Christianity."56 That denial of the truths one can know about God should lead to sodomy is in some sense a mystery," concludes Jones. "However, it is a mystery that can be fairly well documented, from Paul's epistle to the Romans to any objective view of modern British history."57


Yikes.
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