Is it bad that I hope Romney wins?

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Re: Is it bad that I hope Romney wins?

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Jason Bourne wrote:Romney has experience in analyzing businesses that may be good investments as well as working on companies that may require turn around work. This requires a skill set of understanding business, business finance, management of businesses and growing businesses. All of these things are elements of business growth and thus job creation. It also takes into account an understanding of at least basis economic forces and issue because risk is a large element of such business activity and economics impacts risk assessments.

I have a client that is a venture capital company. They have a knack for picking good businesses that with an infusion of capital can grow to the next level. These people are very astute business men and are able to engage with the current management of companies they invest in in such a way to grow the company which, guess what, results in more jobs in many cases. This is exactly what Bain did.


I can tell from how your phrased this that you agree that it’s hard to measure how many net-jobs Romney’s venture capitalism created. The emergence of Staples resulted in x-thousand new jobs at Staples, but it also resulted in y-thousand jobs that were lost at other companies that lost business to Staples. Since Staples is more efficient than the companies it replaced, the y-thousand jobs Staples destroyed is probably a bigger number than the x-thousand jobs Staples created. Certainly overall profits increased and overall capital was better allocated, but were overall jobs created? Probably not.

In no way do I mean to critique Romney’s management skills. These skills are exactly why I think he'd do a great job as "CEO" of America, if he were hired as CEO and the board of directors gave him the correct goals and authority to fix Medicare, Medicaid, defense, the tax code, Social Security, and general government waste.

But what we’re talking about here is what Romney would do to lower the unemployment rate if he were elected president. Does he know how to do this? There is no reason to believe so.
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Re: Is it bad that I hope Romney wins?

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Kevin Graham wrote:There is just something extraordinarily humiliating to a nation when the world finds out that your leader likes to dress up like a baker and exchange secret handshakes with old men behind curtains, just because he thinks it will get him into heaven.



Then there are people like Kevin Graham who would literally vote for Che Guevara if he ran for President on the Democratic party ticket (and this is likely just the beginning, given what appears to drive much of his internal thought world).
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Bond James Bond wrote:
Blixa wrote:liz. I'm shell shocked.

She was the nadir of American politics and that's saying a lot. A LOT.


Truly. She has the crazy eyes.

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This is, of course, the standard mainstream media leftist narrative trotted out against every conservative they fear and loath and who they think might have a shot at political power.

Same playbook, year after year, cycle after cycle, decade after decade, leftist failure after leftist failure.
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Droopy wrote:Then there are people like Kevin Graham who would literally vote for Che Guevara if he ran for President on the Democratic party ticket (and this is likely just the beginning, given what appears to drive much of his internal thought world).


Are you really this insecure that you can't just admit that you are "intellectually" inferior to people that post on this site? Your need to confront people, that are obviously, much more intelligent than you is pretty sad. Just give it up and, continue to have AM radio give you the opinions that they want you (and other small minded bigots) to have. Its obvious that you have no original thoughts. This is not the place that anyone cares to hear you pre-programmed lunacy but you don't seem to care....Good luck with that, you crazy, closeted, bigot!
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Re: Is it bad that I hope Romney wins?

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Romney will almost certainly win the GOP nomination. I doubt he'll beat Obama, but it's possible.


Given Obama's record on pretty much all issues and pressing concerns, Yosemite Sam should be able to carry the election in a landslide, all things considered.

Barack Obama is an bitter, authoritarian Marxist/black nationalist ideologue with a deep and festering chip on his shoulder against America (a perception shared by his equally ideologically fevered wife), free market economics, white people, Jews, and the West generally.

His qualifications for the presidency were and are effectively zero, not the least of which is his massive deficit of knowledge and education regarding history, economics, military history, IR, the constitution, and the founding concepts of the Untied States and its political/social/economic order.

His real beliefs and ideological preferences, those of his main mentors and intellectual influences in his youth - Frank Marshall Davis, Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers, and most importantly, Saul Alinski, have been on parade for three years now through the destruction of the economy, the abandonment of any rational military doctrine, the bowing and genuflecting before kings and dictators around the world, quasi-fascist takeovers of a large automaker and of the banking system, the attempted government takeover of nearly 17% of the economy through the socialization of the American healthcare system, the igniting of heavy general price inflation, numerous tax increases (a massive number of which are hidden in Obamacare) and a federal debt of over 15 trillion dollars (up,in just two years of his presidency, from the 10 trillion left by Clinton, Bush, and the Republicans over the previous 15 years or so).

This madman and the cult of personality that developed around him in 2007 and swept him into power (along with the incompetence of the Republicans and their President) are presiding over dismantling and total remaking (his own words) of America along lines other than those of the Declaration and Constitution.

Drones such as Sir Bluffalot and R. Graham will support him because, ultimately, what they all want is someone with real, centralized power in a position to reward those who support those who think like they do and punish those who dissent from the politically correct orthodox catechism from which they take unto themselves so much self satisfied moral glory.

It literally gets more nauseating by the second.
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Are you really this insecure that you can't just admit that you are "intellectually" inferior to people that post on this site? Your need to confront people, that are obviously, much more intelligent than you is pretty sad. Just give it up and, continue to have AM radio give you the opinions that they want you (and other small minded bigots) to have. Its obvious that you have no original thoughts. This is not the place that anyone cares to hear you pre-programmed lunacy but you don't seem to care....Good luck with that, you crazy, closeted, bigot!


Is your last name perchance Spicoli?
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Droopy wrote:
Are you really this insecure that you can't just admit that you are "intellectually" inferior to people that post on this site? Your need to confront people, that are obviously, much more intelligengt than you is pretty sad. Just give it up and, continue to have AM radio give you the opinions that they want you (and other small minded bigots) to have. Its obvious that you have no original thoughts. This is not the place that anyone cares to hear you pre-programmed lunacy but you don't seem to care....Good luck with that, you crazy, closeted, bigot!


Is your last name perchance Spicoli?


No...next weak attempt at deflecting that you are a closeted homosexual....go!
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Re: Is it bad that I hope Romney wins?

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liz3564 wrote:For the economy's sake, I hope he does.

It's interesting that I have the exact same reason for hoping he doesn't get elected.

I think an examination of US history is fairly clear in showing the growth of the economy has less to do with creating pro-corporate environments but instead has to do with creating a strong middle class that has the wealth and purchasing power to sustain growth.

Good companies do one thing well - make money. Making money with 5 people is better than making the same amount of money with 6. Companies hire when they can't produce enough goods or provide service at the level of demand. You want to create demand by creating a pro-corporate environment while whittling away further at the middle class? I'd be interested in hearing how that might work.

Fact is, a corporate executive might, just might, have some idea about how to make government more efficient. But it won't make the economy better unless s/he also is advocating and leading a change in the earning power of more citizens. They are essentially disconnected goals and the mechanisms for creating more efficient government are not necessarily tied to enhancing the ability of every American to earn a more realistic living wage.

We need to be careful in what we think regarding the impacts of so-called strengths of any given candidate. I think Democrats in 2008 made a similar mistake in viewing a message about change that resonated with them as being a vote for real change. I don't think Obama 2012 is the same candidate - in a way that appeals to me more this time. I thought we needed Hillary's experience in 2008, someone who could step into the office and make an impact without having to learn the ropes. And I think Obama has had to do so in many ways. But I think he has, and he's becoming the President he needs to be. At least, I hear him asking better questions, pointing to more realistic causes.

Truth is, nothing gets my gall more than hearing people advocate for a new American aristocracy while calling themselves patriots. I think Romney fits squarely in that camp.
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Droopy wrote:Given Obama's record on pretty much all issues and pressing concerns,...Barack Obama is an bitter, authoritarian Marxist/black nationalist ideologue with a deep and festering chip on his shoulder against America (a perception shared by his equally ideologically fevered wife), free market economics, white people, Jews, and the West generally.

I'd be interested in seeing your specific examples that support this view, Droopy. Actual quotes while advocating for legislation or examples of bills he championed would be nice.
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Re: Is it bad that I hope Romney wins?

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honorentheos wrote:
liz3564 wrote:For the economy's sake, I hope he does.

It's interesting that I have the exact same reason for hoping he doesn't get elected.

I think an examination of US history is fairly clear in showing the growth of the economy has less to do with creating pro-corporate environments but instead has to do with creating a strong middle class that has the wealth and purchasing power to sustain growth....


I agree; well said.
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