Is Lehi the father of the Polynesians?

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liz3564 wrote:I think that you are generalizing. Not all ex Mormons deny spiritual experiences. My brother is no longer active. Hoever, he still had spiritual experiences which he will never deny.


Although I am not ex-Mormon, I have not seen any who has denied the expereince. No one in this thread did.
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Simon Southerton wrote:
If God does use emotions (or the spirit), why is he telling people who attend other churches that their church is true?

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italics mine.

Moroni's challenge has the same result regardless of which religion is involved.
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why me wrote:Not to deny your feelings of being proud. However, when the truth was confirmed to you by the holy ghost, it must have been powerful and convincing.


Why me, who taught you that the holy ghost talks to you via feelings??

Mormon missionaries or Mormon teachers?

See anything circular here?
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bcspace wrote:I usually think of the Jaredites as Asians or having picked them up along the way, but then again, I don't assume that the Americas were unpopulated when they or Lehi came here.

BCSpace,

Does this mean that you assume to know more than an Apostle of the Lord, even Elder Jeffery R. Holland, who states unequivocally, in a Church publication, that the Lord maintained the Western Hemisphere as uninhabited after the Flood of Noah until the arrival of the Jaredites and the Lehites?

Sounds to me as if you are headed towards apostasy again.
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I just gets to be so taxing listening to the defenders of the faith (Mormonism). With predictable scripting you know exactly what the response to any query about Mormonism.

If the query is for further understanding in the lack of evidence to support Mormonism - Attack the messenger, attack the message, attack the need for proof, attack reasoning, attack the the lack of evidence against the claim, attack attack attack.

If the query is for further understanding in the message of Mormonism - We just aren't meant to know at this time, it doesn't impact our salvation, the message was for a different time and people, excuses, excuses, excuses.

If the query is for support of the message of Mormonism - Praise the author, praise the message, praise Horny Holy Joe for coming up with the truth though he was only a stupid kid, praise, praise, praise.

If there is need for clarification of the message of Mormonism - Where is the Hill Cumorah, why Polygamy, tithing on gross or net, - silence, silence, silence.
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bcspace wrote:I usually think of the Jaredites as Asians or having picked them up along the way, but then again, I don't assume that the Americas were unpopulated when they or Lehi came here.


If Lehi and his family were not alone when they arrived in the Americas, then why does the Book of Mormon Prophet Jacob describes his people as being "a lonesome and a solemn people" towards the end of his life???

Here is that Scriptural Passage again:

Jacob 7:

[26] And it came to pass that I, Jacob, began to be old; and the record of this people being kept on the other plates of Nephi, wherefore, I conclude this record, declaring that I have written according to the best of my knowledge, by saying that the time passed away with us, and also our lives passed away like as it were unto us a dream, we being a lonesome and a solemn people, wanderers, cast out from Jerusalem, born in tribulation, in a wilderness, and hated of our brethren, which caused wars and contentions; wherefore, we did mourn out our days.



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The Mighty Builder wrote:I just gets to be so taxing listening to the defenders of the faith (Mormonism). With predictable scripting you know exactly what the response to any query about Mormonism.


I see that The Mighty Builder is quite chuffed with his statement, and instead of responding to it, I'll let bcspace respond
bcspace wrote:Standard responses come from standard and long-refuted anti Mormon chestnuts. The argument has been thoroughly refuted and unless you can come up with something different, you will get the standard response.


I happen to agree, though that might make me very unpopular. I haven't seen a new Mormon-critical argument crop up in many years, only variations of the the same old whinge. Does anyone (other than Dr. Southerton) even remember that DNA contretemps?
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Seems like I haven't seen any new Scientologist-critical argument in a long time either. Those critics must be slacking.
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bcspace wrote:I usually think of the Jaredites as Asians or having picked them up along the way, but then again, I don't assume that the Americas were unpopulated when they or Lehi came here.
CES does not teach the kids this.

They taught me, and I believe they continue to teach that the Americas was void of people and that it was populated by the 10 or so couples on the boat.

They must have humped like mad rabbits. Perhaps Lehi gave their vaginas priesthood blessings right after births so that his sons could get back in and knock her up again. I wonder how many twins or triplets that their wives bore?
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Radex wrote:
The Mighty Builder wrote:I just gets to be so taxing listening to the defenders of the faith (Mormonism). With predictable scripting you know exactly what the response to any query about Mormonism.


I see that The Mighty Builder is quite chuffed with his statement, and instead of responding to it, I'll let bcspace respond
bcspace wrote:Standard responses come from standard and long-refuted anti Mormon chestnuts. The argument has been thoroughly refuted and unless you can come up with something different, you will get the standard response.


I happen to agree, though that might make me very unpopular. I haven't seen a new Mormon-critical argument crop up in many years, only variations of the the same old whinge. Does anyone (other than Dr. Southerton) even remember that DNA contretemps?

Don't be coy, Radex. Please elaborate.
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