Is Lehi the father of the Polynesians?

[_why me]

Not to deny your feelings of being proud. However, when the truth was confirmed to you by the holy ghost, it must have been powerful and convincing.

Why me, who taught you that the holy ghost talks to you via feelings??

Mormon missionaries or Mormon teachers?

See anything circular here?

The 'feeling the holy ghost' is not a Mormon invention. It is in the new testament. However, the Moroni claim is quite a bold claim and certainly if Joseph Smith or sidney wrote the book, it was a bold claim to make. And one that would be certain to fail. But it hasn't. What keeps the LDS church allve is the promise that the truth of the Book of Mormon will be revealed by the holy ghost. And this is what has been happening to people as it happened to you way back when.

[_Simon Southerton]

The 'feeling the holy ghost' is not a Mormon invention. It is in the new testament.

Yes, and it was Mormons who directed you to those verses and told you how to interpret them.

[_Polygamy-Porter]

The 'feeling the holy ghost' is not a Mormon invention. It is in the new testament.

Yes, and it was Mormons who directed you to those verses and told you how to interpret them.

Hi Simon, welcome to our fun discussion board!

May I introduce you to the poster "why me"?

He is a self confessed inactive Mormon of over 30 years.

He was born Catholic. Converted to Mormonism and followed the typical path of converts, attended little to none, to complete inactivity.

Between his fun grammar and daft spelling skills, while he may appear to be a chapel Mormon, he is not. Far from it.

He has admitted to attending Catholic mass on a much more regular basis than LDS services.

So while he appears to have been "converted" and believes this and that, blah mo blah, he does not practice what he preaches, nor does his money ever get close to his mouth.

Just another one of our odd defenders.

Oh and ask him about "light cotton" :)

[_bcspace]

I usually think of the Jaredites as Asians or having picked them up along the way, but then again, I don't assume that the Americas were unpopulated when they or Lehi came here.

BCSpace,

Does this mean that you assume to know more than an Apostle of the Lord, even Elder Jeffery R. Holland, who states unequivocally, in a Church publication, that the Lord maintained the Western Hemisphere as uninhabited after the Flood of Noah until the arrival of the Jaredites and the Lehites?

Sounds to me as if you are headed towards apostasy again.

Just because I think that way doesn't mean I teach it for doctrine. But I'd be happy to entertain any such evidence as you and PP can come up with.

[_Drifting]

I usually think of the Jaredites as Asians or having picked them up along the way, but then again, I don't assume that the Americas were unpopulated when they or Lehi came here.

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Just because I think that way doesn't mean I teach it for doctrine. But I'd be happy to entertain any such evidence as you and PP can come up with.

Is it fair to say that there isn't, in fact, any evidence within the Book of Mormon that suggests it had to be an American (North or South) setting at all?
Sure Joseph Smith and other General Authorities have explicitly placed it across the North American continent. But if we, like bcspace, choose to position these leaders as speaking as men on this topic rather than inspired Prophets, we are free to locate the Book of Mormon geography wherever the hell we damn well please.

[_Simon Southerton]

May I introduce you to the poster "why me"?

He is a self confessed inactive Mormon of over 30 years.

Just another one of our odd defenders.

Thanks for the heads up... So we are basically dealing with an attention seeker who likes to argue lost causes.

[_why me]

He is a self confessed inactive Mormon of over 30 years.

He was born Catholic. Converted to Mormonism and followed the typical path of converts, attended little to none, to complete inactivity.

Between his fun grammar and daft spelling skills, while he may appear to be a chapel Mormon, he is not. Far from it.

He has admitted to attending Catholic mass on a much more regular basis than LDS services.

So while he appears to have been "converted" and believes this and that, blah mo blah, he does not practice what he preaches, nor does his money ever get close to his mouth.

Just another one of our odd defenders.

And your point is....?

[_why me]

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Thanks for the heads up... So we are basically dealing with an attention seeker who likes to argue lost causes.

Yes, I love the attention that this board gives me. It is great. But I don't see a lost cause with a holy ghost confirmation for the reason for being baptized.

[_Themis]

However, the Moroni claim is quite a bold claim and certainly if Joseph Smith or sidney wrote the book, it was a bold claim to make. And one that would be certain to fail. But it hasn't.

Are you suggesting one can't get good feelings reading or praying about a fictitious book?

The 'feeling the holy ghost' is not a Mormon invention. It is in the new testament.

That does not change that it is still an interpretation of certain expereinces, one you have learned from Christianity, and one you were taught by LDS in regards to the Book of Mormon. You have yet in any thread to explain why your interpretation is likely to be accurate.

[_Brackite]

I usually think of the Jaredites as Asians or having picked them up along the way, but then again, I don't assume that the Americas were unpopulated when they or Lehi came here.

If Lehi and his family were not alone when they arrived in the Americas, then why does the Book of Mormon Prophet Jacob describes his people as being "a lonesome and a solemn people" towards the end of his life???

Here is that Scriptural Passage again:

Jacob 7:

[26] And it came to pass that I, Jacob, began to be old; and the record of this people being kept on the other plates of Nephi, wherefore, I conclude this record, declaring that I have written according to the best of my knowledge, by saying that the time passed away with us, and also our lives passed away like as it were unto us a dream, we being a lonesome and a solemn people, wanderers, cast out from Jerusalem, born in tribulation, in a wilderness, and hated of our brethren, which caused wars and contentions; wherefore, we did mourn out our days.

(Italic Emphasized Mine.)

I am still waiting for the LDS Apologist Bcspace to try to answer this Post of mine.
If Lehi and his family were not alone when they arrived in the Americas (Specifically MesoAmerica), then why does the Book of Mormon Prophet Jacob describes his people as being "a lonesome and a solemn people" towards the end of his life???