The Case of the Manacled Mormon
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A perfectly decent torrent of Tabloid is available here. Do it.
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Sethbag wrote:The photo didn't look obviously forged to me. Keep in mind this is from the days before Photoshop, so it woulda been done the old-fashioned way. What about it looks chopped to you?
For one thing, the breasts appear to have been severely airbrushed (enhanced?). In the film (as I recall) they showed this and one other image in the segment about photographic "enhancement" (compositing) by The Daily Mirror.
Could be wrong.
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TrashcanMan79 wrote:A perfectly decent torrent of Tabloid is available here. Do it.
Since there is relatively little action in the film, most of the information is conveyed in the audio track, so image resolution and quality is of secondary importance.
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ludwigm wrote:Anyway, that photo in any blog would invite me to comment "I would % her." Photoshop or not.
In Hungarian, I have a dozen verb for that % character.
Please feel free to educate me the proper English verbs for %, (as far as it is translated correctly).
Ludwig,
In terms of "%", I found the first female "Tebower " in your Tebow image post to be an outstanding example.
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DrW wrote:The 2010 film does not appear to be available on Netflix, but it is running on Showtime.
Good morning DrW, I just went to Netflix and it appears that Tabloid IS available on DVD, but not available for streaming. I just added it to my queue...
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DrW wrote:ludwigm wrote:Anyway, that photo in any blog would invite me to comment "I would % her." Photoshop or not.
In Hungarian, I have a dozen verb for that % character.
Please feel free to educate me the proper English verbs for %, (as far as it is translated correctly).
Ludwig,
In terms of "%", I found the first female "Tebower " in your Tebow image post to be an outstanding example.
The English verbs, please, if I may ask...
We all know how can fool the word censor.
by the way I am downloading the movie, but without Hungarian subtitle or audio track I think I don't want to watch it.
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mcjathan wrote:DrW wrote:The 2010 film does not appear to be available on Netflix, but it is running on Showtime.
Good morning DrW, I just went to Netflix and it appears that Tabloid IS available on DVD, but not available for streaming. I just added it to my queue...
Thanks.
Good information.
I only use Netflix for streaming so missed the DVD.
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This was one of the first stories that I ever blogged about, as the dog-cloning case broke in 2008, shortly after I launched my blog. I was a lot more curmudgeonly at the time, and looking back, it's one of those stories where I'm not terribly happy with how I handled it, either in the blog post or the comments. Still, my sympathies at the time were on Kirk Anderson's side, and still are.
Back when I blogged about this, I received the following angry comments on my blog, threatening to sue me for saying that McKinney had "raped" a man, here:
And here:
Originally, I thought this must be some kind of "fan" of McKinney (does that woman even have fans?). It seemed incredible to me that Ms. Crazypants herself would Google her way into my tiny little corner of the Web and threaten moi with a lawsuit.
Since then, I've learned that she's apparently notorious for making threats of and sometimes filing frivolous lawsuits, and also notorious for Googling up articles about herself and then dropping comments on them. If we get lucky enough, perhaps she'll grace this thread with her presence!
So yeah, I guess it was her. After Tabloid came out, she made similar threats against bloggers who reviewed the movie and said unfavorable things about her in their reviews.
Anyhow, back when the dog cloning story broke, we had some interesting comments on this here at MDB from people who said they knew Anderson at the time.
Here's gramps:
From Miss Taken:
And gramps again:
Food for thought.
DrW, I'd heard this film had been made, but thank you for reminding me of it. I've moved it to the top of my Netflix queue and will watch it soon.
Back when I blogged about this, I received the following angry comments on my blog, threatening to sue me for saying that McKinney had "raped" a man, here:
eb wrote:Your sick comments are false and defamatory slander about a INNOCENT woman who was falsely accused by a spineless Mormon cult recruiter who was afraid of excommunication. Her life destroyed by slandermongers and gossips like you, Miss McKinney has already won a lawsuit against another party who said exactly what YOU printed. So you have opened yourself up to a lawsuit! Also, she is currently suing–with a twenty million dollar libel action against people who are the source of resurrecting this libelous Mormon sourced story which was a lie 30 years ago and a LIE now. You yourselves will be tracked down and subpeoned to court, to illustrate how people how STUPID enough and DISHONEST enough to propagate a “myth” which had such tragic effects on her and her family. (Do you really believe that a 300 pound 6’5″ Mormon cult recruiter was “raped” by a gorgeous blonde lady who once ran for the MISS USA beauty crown?? Oh and, please don’t call him a “missionary”–that’s someone who is serving Christ and not a false Prophet as Mormons do.) Don’t tell me you are THAT stupid. Are you Mormon CULT MEMBERS YOURSELVES, or just GOSSIPMONGERS?) Moreover, it is CRIMINAL LIBEL to print that a person was CHARGED with a crime they not only NEVER COMMITTED, but which they were never even CHARGED with. You uneducated nuts know nothing about libel law, obviously: It is also libel to imply that a person is sexually impure. In the REAL WORLD, Miss McKinney, was in fact a virgin when she met this Mormon who CHASED her to death to beg her to marry him. He was a overweight Mormon boy and Mommy’s boy and she was a model and MISS USA contestant completing her PHD when she met him. Who do you think chased WHOM? His Mormon Mammy was against their engagement from the beginning because Miss McKinney chose to leave Mornonism and went back to Christianity. All of us who knew them back in the 70s know this. WHY haven’t YOU researched the TRUE facts? ARE YOU Mormons helping spread the “rape” myth via the internet? You are SLANDERING Miss McKinney maliciously. REMOVE THIS OFFENDING MATERIAL OR IT WILL BE TURNED OVER TO HER LAWYERS! Also, you better get your suit pressed as you’re going to court either way as an example of FOOLS who believed–and spread–the libelous filthy original MYTH SKILLFULLY ORCHESTRATED and propagated by Mormon PR teams trying to cover up a love affair which would have destroyed their multi-million dollar “image”. And when you get to court, you’ll be required to submit a “charge sheet” saying she was CHARGED with “RAPING A MAN”. Since one DOESN”T EXIST, you’re in trouble. (PS Hope you have a lot of money to pay damages!)
And here:
eb wrote:Hurray for Chislaine and his comment!!! At least there is ONE intelligent person here who is NOT a Mormon cultist and who knows that Ms. McKinney was NEVER CHARGED WITH RAPE. That is a concoction by Mormon PR men to cover up his three day love affair with Ms. McKinney, who was, by the way a virgin who didn’t even smoke or drink. Her only flaw was, she was too sweet and trusting. As for the faked
“nude photos” you and others have printed, which are actionable legally as well as your malicious slander and character defamation, are you so dishonest that you did no research to find out HOW they were faked [before you printed them]? Did you have Ms. McKinney’s CONSENT to use her photograph– along with your slanderous, libelous stories? I’ll bet NOT! Did you not even see the poor job that was done on the forged modeling release where they misspelled her name? Are you not aware that your precious Mormon leaders were seen, MEETING WITH with a British tabloid, who then paid a false friend of Ms. McKinney’s to BREAK INTO HER HOME and steal photos from her modeling composite (all clothed) which were then ALTERED to make her appear “naked”–as well as to be printed along with terrible stories to make her appear immoral–and to ILLEGALLY SUBJUDICE her case, so that it was never continued? The tabloid even bragged about how much they had paid the burglar, who they then “smuggled out to Mexico” to avoid prosecution! I even saw one faked photo which had air brush lines on it where they had “painted out” her two piece swimsuit. Ms. McKinney was a modest person. Can you imagine how mortified she was? No. Nor can you imagine the pain you scandal mongering small town minded Mormon CULTISTS have brought to her by repeating your filth over and over! But that was the whole point in the Great Mormon Press Hoax, wasn’t it? To discredit her so that if she “talked” on why she rejected –and left–Mormonism, (which is like getting out of The Mafia) no body would believe her, or so you thought. But the whole cover on this hoax is about to be blown right off. So buckle your safety belts, Mormons. AND WATCH YOUR LYING TONGUES! She has sued once and WON a huge lawsuit already for nuts idiotic enough to say “a former Miss Wyoming USA raped a man”. And for the recent round of slander, she is suing again. Lucky that your names are traceable and that a subpoena can be issued to demand that you appear in court as evidence as to how you Mormon cultists organize to slander and discredit her– because she was a dissident who spoke out against the abuses and false doctrine of the Mormon cult. As for Truth-teller Ghislaine, can you give us an address where to write you? I’m sure Ms. McKinney and her lawyers and literary agents would like to thank you for speaking out in her behalf and for stating The Truth. The only thing that Ghislaine left out was: that 300 pound Anderson admitted in court that he NEVER SAW ANY CLOROFORM. And for you Mormons propagating slander: Check out the COURT RECORDS and get court statements before you slander Ms. McKinney. (The other two Mormonized version of the story are that chubby Kirk was
held at “gunpoint” and the third version,”knifepoint”. Which is it? … you Mormons need to get together on your contradictory choice of weapons!) Nuff said. See ya in court!
Originally, I thought this must be some kind of "fan" of McKinney (does that woman even have fans?). It seemed incredible to me that Ms. Crazypants herself would Google her way into my tiny little corner of the Web and threaten moi with a lawsuit.
Since then, I've learned that she's apparently notorious for making threats of and sometimes filing frivolous lawsuits, and also notorious for Googling up articles about herself and then dropping comments on them. If we get lucky enough, perhaps she'll grace this thread with her presence!
So yeah, I guess it was her. After Tabloid came out, she made similar threats against bloggers who reviewed the movie and said unfavorable things about her in their reviews.
Anyhow, back when the dog cloning story broke, we had some interesting comments on this here at MDB from people who said they knew Anderson at the time.
Here's gramps:
gramps wrote:When I arrived at the mission home in Epsom, Surrey, circa 1978, I met Elder Andersen. He was the Mission President's secretary at the time. The events mentioned above had happened shortly before I arrived.
He looked terrible. He was thin, his pants falling off him. Really, he looked bad. But, he was the nicest guy. And I really enjoyed talking with him.
I hope he is doing well now.
From Miss Taken:
Miss Taken wrote:I'll go with Gramps on this one, Kirk Anderson was in our area just before this happened to him, and he was a quiet, regular, good, dedicated missionary. He was nice, not flirty, not arrogant..that's how I remember him anyway.
He was kidnapped at gunpoint, and in my opinion was not a willing party to any of this (they also had used chloroform on him).
He was a 19 year old kid, despite his size and she was 26, old enough to know better. I wonder what possessed her accomplice to help her out...really weird.
Joyce McKinney consistently lied to police and eventually jumped bail, despite arguing that she wanted to clear her name through the British Legal System. Everything about her actions suggests she was and still is a bit 'unhinged'. The clone dog thing is as strange as the 1970's stuff.
And gramps again:
gramps wrote:Here is what I know: I arrived in January, '78. Stayed in the home next to the temple for an evening and did some tracting. The next morning we were driven to the mission office. The first Elder I met was Elder Andersen. We had already been told about the story by the APs the night before and the next morning.
It was a bit of a shock to see him. He didn't look good. None of his clothes fit him.
Now, what the APs told us about the whole thing: He was really, really grilled in interviews by a lot of different top brass (apostles, seventies, etc.) They asked him everything. Everything.
He wasn't allowed out tracting. He worked in the office and then stayed at home in the evening or went to members' homes. The APs did not take this seriously and were making some really crude jokes about the whole thing. I once got the impression that the whole gang of the APs and the mission office guys, who all lived in the same flat, were having a pretty good laugh over it. I mean, including Elder Andersen.
This was my first day in the mission field. LOL
But, that is only an impression from no more than 24 hours spent with these APs. Who knows what happened? I can say this: Elder Andersen, the one I knew at the mission office, was a really nice guy. Definitely humbled. But, genuinely a good guy. He didn't grow up so far from me. Skyline High School and East High School. Just across the canyon. We had a lot to talk about for a few days until we were sent off to our first assignments.
Food for thought.
DrW, I'd heard this film had been made, but thank you for reminding me of it. I've moved it to the top of my Netflix queue and will watch it soon.
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She wasn't charged with rape because there were no laws then in that area that covered a sexual attack by a woman on a man.
Under the then-Sexual Offences Act 1956, due to the victim's gender, there was no crime of rape committed, though indecent assault of a man applied.[14]
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Fence Sitter wrote:She wasn't charged with rape because there were no laws then in that area that covered a sexual attack by a woman on a man.Under the then-Sexual Offences Act 1956, due to the victim's gender, there was no crime of rape committed, though indecent assault of a man applied.[14]
I heard the same.
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