Question about the Race/Lineage ban.

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Re: Question about the Race/Lineage ban.

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bcspace wrote:

Although we could show many statements that do talk about being inferior,


If you could I think you would have by now.



Here's a start:

Elder George F. Richards
Of the Council of the Twelve Apostles
Conference Reports, April 1939


The negro is an unfortunate man. He has been given a black skin.

But that is as nothing compared with that greater handicap that he is not permitted to receive the Priesthood and the ordinances of the temple, necessary to prepare men and women to enter into and enjoy a fulness of glory in the celestial kingdom.
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Here's a start:

Elder George F. Richards
Of the Council of the Twelve Apostles
Conference Reports, April 1939

The negro is an unfortunate man. He has been given a black skin.

But that is as nothing compared with that greater handicap that he is not permitted to receive the Priesthood and the ordinances of the temple, necessary to prepare men and women to enter into and enjoy a fulness of glory in the celestial kingdom.


Nothing inherent I see to make him inferior.
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Re: Question about the Race/Lineage ban.

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What does handicap mean BC?

oh yeah: To cause to be at a disadvantage; impede.
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Re: Question about the Race/Lineage ban.

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Darth J wrote:The law of chastity has nothing to do with sex.

The Word of Wisdom has nothing to do with smoking or drinking.

Tithing has nothing to do with money.


This is why I think he is being dishonest here.
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Re: Question about the Race/Lineage ban.

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Because it's a commandment which implies choice.

Aside from your circular reasoning, why should you be damned for rejecting the priesthood, since the priesthood confers no superiority?


Now look who's reasoning is circular.
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Re: Question about the Race/Lineage ban.

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What does handicap mean BC?


Looks like the blessing of the priesthood has been withheld, the ban. But does it say that he can never have it or that it's impossible for him to receive it because of the way he was born? No.
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Re: Question about the Race/Lineage ban.

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Darth J wrote:
SteelHead wrote:Race had nothing to do with the ban? Right....

Ok lets re-word it: "The ban has everything to do with race."

Is that more acceptable to you?


The law of chastity has nothing to do with sex.

The Word of Wisdom has nothing to do with smoking or drinking.

Tithing has nothing to do with money.



Darth J's arguments have nothing to do with logical, cogent argumentation, but with polemical argument mongering for its own sake in pursuit of a personal psychological and emotional agenda.

Now we're getting somewhere...
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Re: Question about the Race/Lineage ban.

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Race, yes!
Bruce McConkie Mormon Doctrine, p.527, 1966 ed.
"The negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain spiritual blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow therefrom…"


Race, yes!
Race Problems as they Affect the Church, Mark E. Petersen

"If I were to marry a Negro woman and have children by her, my children would all be cursed as to the priesthood. Do I want my children cursed as to the priesthood? If there is one drop of Negro blood in my children, as I have read to you, they receive the curse. There isn't any argument, therefore, as to inter-marriage with the Negro, is there?" (p.21.)


Never? no. But it was taught that those cursed would not receive it till the after millennium.
John Lund The Church and The Negro, pp.109-110
"There are two sublime stipulations that will have to be met before the Negroes will be allowed to possess the Priesthood, even if they are worthy... First, all of Adam's children will have to resurrect and secondly, the seed of Abel must first have an opportunity to possess the Priesthood"

"These events will not occur until sometime after the millennium. It would be unwise to say Negroes will receive the Priesthood during their mortal existence."
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Re: Question about the Race/Lineage ban.

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Darth J's arguments have nothing to do with logical, cogent argumentation, but with polemical argument mongering for its own sake in pursuit of a personal psychological and emotional agenda.

Now we're getting somewhere...


Amen.
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Re: Question about the Race/Lineage ban.

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Bruce McConkie Mormon Doctrine, p.527, 1966 ed.


Non doctrinal work.

Race Problems as they Affect the Church, Mark E. Petersen


Convention of Teachers of Religion non doctrinal and unofficially published (by the LDS Church) venue.

John Lund The Church and The Negro, pp.109-110


Self-published, therefore, not doctrinal.
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