Male Mormons, Ex-Mormons, and Non-Mormons.

[_marg]

I've never seen any evidence of that.

I'm not going to do the work of searching out posts to link to. The short of it I have been harassed by her in her eagerness to support her 'friend' Stak who harassed me in his eagerness to support 'friends' and what they've said off the board about me and as well EA who has been on a slow non aggressive campaign against me. These pot shots on the board and attacks off the board occurred in threads I wasn't involved in. It was not about disagreement in a discussion it was simply harassment and badgering. And she did make a comment to me during that badgering episode about 'friends' ..how if they don't come to my support I should think about that. So she's big on the notion of friends supporting one another on here...for good or bad.

And I understand how you wouldn't have seen evidence, people on message boards don't care about this stuff. I don't follow the details of all the exchanges between people and don't expect others to either.

[_LDSToronto]

(My husband sure as hell doesn't forgive him, but that's pretty much not my problem.)

Huh? If I posted with my real name and I showed my husband that exchange with Cam..he certainly would not have taken it personally. He would have said something like, "why are you showing me this crap?" or "why are you arguing with that idiot?" or "why are you continuing to post on that board?" but certainly if someone who doesn't know him were to call him a 'pussy' and if I showed him that, he'd be looking at me wondering why I bothered him with it.

MsJack is smart and her husband knows that.

H.

[_LDSToronto]

(My husband sure as hell doesn't forgive him, but that's pretty much not my problem.)

Huh? If I posted with my real name and I showed my husband that exchange with Cam..he certainly would not have taken it personally. He would have said something like, "why are you showing me this crap?" or "why are you arguing with that idiot?" or "why are you continuing to post on that board?" but certainly if someone who doesn't know him were to call him a 'pussy' and if I showed him that, he'd be looking at me wondering why I bothered him with it.

Are you saying you are happy your husband ignores you and doesn't take an interest in what you are interested in?

H.

[_marg]

Are you saying you are happy your husband ignores you and doesn't take an interest in what you are interested in?

H.

No. I'm saying that it serves no purpose to tell my husband that some anonymous person said something derogatory about him...in a tit for tat exchange.

[_LDSToronto]

Are you saying you are happy your husband ignores you and doesn't take an interest in what you are interested in?

H.

No. I'm saying that it serves no purpose to tell my husband that some anonymous person said something derogatory about him...in a tit for tat exchange.

Oh, how sad that you don't have that kind of marriage where you can share things with your most beloved :(

Or, perhaps you don't even care what others say about the one person you love most. Even more sad :( :(


H.

[_Doctor Scratch]

Marg, may I make a suggestion? I think you should post a video of yourself on YouTube. You should be crying and screaming and shaking your fist at the camera, explaining how you've been the victim of a campaign of harassment by EA. If you were to do something like that, I bet a lot of people would rally around your cause.

[_MsJack]

If I posted with my real name and I showed my husband that exchange with Cam..he certainly would not have taken it personally.

And if my husband called someone a "catty bitch" on a message board, I'd slap him silly for using misogynist slurs like an asshat.

Thankfully I'm not married to anyone that petty and mean.

As I said in a previous post the issue for her boils down to the moderation not protecting her or anyone from their family being disparaged on here and now that's been rectified. It's not about rectifying harassment of individuals.

You read your tea leaves wrong, marg. I don't have any fear of people from my real life seeing what jerks say about them here. I just believe family should be off-limits. The name of the forum is Mormon Discussons, and there are only so many layers of crap that I'm willing to wade through to get to the part where I actually get to discuss Mormonism. Vicious attacks on my family members who aren't involved isn't a layer that I'm willing to tolerate.

I think that the moderators should do everything in their power to stop harassment of individuals, as such harassment is what drives good posters away from our forum. But in a free-speech environment, there's only so much they can do. Community members have to self-moderate in addition to speaking up when others are being harassed.

You are not alone in much of what you said. Ms Jack wants her "friends" to support her when she's being attacked. At the same time, Ms Jack who has cultivated "friends" also supports her friends when they are doing the attacking. She's not adverse to badgering and harrassing.

I've never seen any evidence of that.

And you never will, because marg is making stuff up.

The thread where she claims I jumped in and began badgering her in support of EA and Stak occurred here. Stak hadn't even commented on the thread when I jumped in, and EA is someone I respect but not someone I'd call my buddy. I commented because I disagreed with what she was arguing, and I repeatedly told her as much on the thread in question; marg simply never showed enough respect for me to accept my words at face value.

Now marg, if you're going to keep on using threads completely unrelated to our past to air your sour grapes about me, I'm going to start a thread documenting the truth about our history and bump it every time you bring it up (a la beastie's "rcrockett libel" thread). I would very much like to not do that, but it beats the hell out of having to defend myself again and again every time you resurrect the same nonsense that I've already addressed. So stop for a second and think about if that's what you really want. I'll stop bringing up our past if you will.

[_marg]

If I posted with my real name and I showed my husband that exchange with Cam..he certainly would not have taken it personally.

And if my husband called someone a "catty bitch" on a message board, I'd slap him silly for using misogynist slurs like an asshat.

That slur I've picked up from this board by being call a bitch. I don't in real life call women "bitches" it's not my style. But your behavior of talking about me on another board derogatorily, as wellas being supportive of Stak's derogatory pot shot..as well as your reply to my questioning you what your issues are with a reply saying weren't going to get into that but you meant what you said... I thought deserved something a little more aggressive than I would normally employ. It was the comment to me that you 'meant what you said' part instead of an acknowledgement that maybe you were wrong ...which prompted me to reply to you in kind...in which I said something to the effect 'of well then I'll be honest with you'.

And I think that's what honoretheos was talking about..that you didn't acknowledge any wrong doing in escalating the situation with Cam. I appreciate that the moderation fails to protect anyone from harassment and the choices are either reply in kind or ignore. Really what should have happened with you and Cam, is you should have reported the video, as it was excessively disrespectful and that should have been moved. I understand that the moderation is extremely lax and can take a long time if anything is done..so there is a tendancy to handle things by replying in kind.

by the way, you would slap your husband? Should I in the future refer to you as the 'woman who slaps her husband around'..so that we can remind others ad nauseum of your comment.

Thankfully I'm not married to anyone that petty and mean.

Yes but your poor husband, how does he put up with the slapping around? I'm not at home and will have to continue later.

[_MsJack]

marg ~ You called a woman a "bitch," so you are the kind of woman who calls other women "bitch." If that's not the kind of woman you want to be, then don't do it.

And I think that's what honoretheos was talking about..that you didn't acknowledge any wrong doing in escalating the situation with Cam.

Indeed. I said nothing that warranted vicious attacks on my family, and I will stand by that till the end.

by the way, you would slap your husband?

Only when he's been a very naughty boy.

My husband is 6'1" and athletic with a second degree black belt in Shotokan. I couldn't slap him if I wanted to, so please put your mind at ease.

[_marg]

marg ~ You called a woman a "bitch," so you are the kind of woman who calls other women "bitch." If that's not the kind of woman you want to be, then don't do it.

It's not that I don't think sometimes it's not appropriate...but the person who called me a bitch on this board was a woman. I don't look at this discussion board in terms of men versus women and women should be treated differently. I don't think that it is necessarily worse to use the word "bitch" as compared to talking behind someone's back with intent to malign them with others they engage with.

So when you didn't acknowledge any wrongdoing talking about me on another board with the intent of encouraging others from this board to disrespect me, when you didn't explain what your issue was after I asked you and when you said I deserved it (or something to that effect) after asking you to explain, it was at that point I called you a catty bitch. But frankly you are the first person I've ever done so on this board..and this has nothing to do with "misogynist slur" which you just brought up. And quite frankly when I was called a bitch I didn't make a big deal about it. As I said I don't necessarily think calling someone a bitch is much worse than many of the other things said or done on here.

And I think that's what honoretheos was talking about..that you didn't acknowledge any wrong doing in escalating the situation with Cam.

Indeed. I said nothing that warranted vicious attacks on my family, and I will stand by that till the end.

Well yes you did. You brought up in real life information knowing full well having done so in the past, it had been deleted. You have acknowledged to honoretheos that you shouldn't have done that. Were you justified. Yes I think you were, because the moderation is so lax that to stop a bully whatever is necessary on the board ..is justified. But I can then see how that could progress into Cam's remarks attacking your family. But calling your husband a "pussy" is not vicious, nor is the comment any reason for your husband to be angry about. He may be angry that someone angered or upset you but I can't see any reason for him to take that comment personally.

I agree that negative remarks about poster's families or their marriage are uncalled for and should be deleted. I don't agree that Cam's comments were particularly more "vicious" than many comments on this board. Is the issue here viciousness or is the issue that family members don't participate here and shouldn't be attacked...it is really the latter unless you are arguing that you go out of your way to tell your board friends to not treat others viciously.

by the way, you would slap your husband?

Only when he's been a very naughty boy.

My husband is 6'1" and athletic with a second degree black belt in Shotokan. I couldn't slap him if I wanted to, so please put your mind at ease.

I see so if he was short and a weakling you'd slap him around? Look it's an odd thing for you to say when you are the one complaining about misogynistic comments. If I'm angry at my husband I don't think in terms of physical abuse so it wouldn't occur to me to ever say, that if he did 'such and such" I'd slap him around. I understand you likely didn't mean you'd actually slap him.