Oh how the world turns..... Runtu, you are clueless that your statement about us actually applies to you. Makes me laugh that I used to believe the same self deceptive lie.
Runtu, the actual and WHOLE truth actually supports the basic Mormon narrative. That's why the educated Mormon can stay Mormon, because anti-mormonism is who really cherry picks and rationalizes.
You falsely believe that YOU hold the whole and actual truth, when you actually do not. You've only learned a little more than the average Mormon, just enough to actually be stupid easily swayed by the lie that is anti-mormon ideology (a mindset of looking at things on the surface rather than in depth), but not enough to actually know the truth.
ldsfaqs.
What do you think Marvin Jensen is on about when he states that the Church is suffering a Great Apostasy because the departing members find out from elsewhere things that the Church should tell them but doesn't?
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
Oh how the world turns..... Runtu, you are clueless that your statement about us actually applies to you. Makes me laugh that I used to believe the same self deceptive lie.
Runtu, the actual and WHOLE truth actually supports the basic Mormon narrative. That's why the educated Mormon can stay Mormon, because anti-mormonism is who really cherry picks and rationalizes.
You falsely believe that YOU hold the whole and actual truth, when you actually do not. You've only learned a little more than the average Mormon, just enough to actually be stupid easily swayed by the lie that is anti-mormon ideology (a mindset of looking at things on the surface rather than in depth), but not enough to actually know the truth.
Hush now, adults are talking.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
Buffalo wrote:Why Me, I think our cog dis and disbelief happened at about the same time. It's been a strange journey. I wish you the best!
I don't see it that way at all. I have cog dis. I had my spritual experience and that was that. Now, and for many years, I live my life within limits which I have defined myself. At the end of the day, when we die we will know much more. However, this I am certain of: if one can live a Mormon life as defined by the church, one can be happy and at peace---even though the world will always be beckoning that person to join it.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
why me wrote:Leaving the church is not hard if one does not believe. It is just a matter of walking out the door and not looking back.
LOL.
The LDS church does not tell people how to live life.
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They advise people how to live life and one can choose to do it or not.
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It is really that simple.
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"We have taken up arms in defense of our liberty, our property, our wives, and our children; we are determined to preserve them, or die." - Captain Moroni - 'Address to the Inhabitants of Canada' 1775
Buffalo wrote:Why Me, I think our cog dis and disbelief happened at about the same time. It's been a strange journey. I wish you the best!
I don't see it that way at all. I have cog dis. I had my spritual experience and that was that. Now, and for many years, I live my life within limits which I have defined myself. At the end of the day, when we die we will know much more. However, this I am certain of: if one can live a Mormon life as defined by the church, one can be happy and at peace---even though the world will always be beckoning that person to join it.
I'm certain you have a lot of cog dis, as a believer who doesn't follow your religion. I have no more cog dis.
And actually, when we die, we'll know a lot less - we'll know nothing. That's one of the many bummers about brain death.
When I was at my most devout, I was also at my most miserable. I know you've never been a devout Mormon, but you should try it sometime. You'll miss your days as an inactive schlub.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
One thing I will share is that I told her how I would always pray to be perfect because I felt if I could just be perfect I could be happy. She thought that was interesting because she always thought I was perfect. (I was the "goody-goody" child) I mentioned that being unhappy meant (to me based on lessons learned at church) that I must be doing something wrong. If I would just pray MORE, read the scriptures MORE, go to the temple MORE, do missionary work MORE, etc...that then I would be happy. But in the end, I could never do enough or be perfect enough and was always ultimately unhappy.
The church is really not a healthy place for a perfectionist with anxiety. LMAO
Anyway, I was also able to share a little more with her how my journey began (the triggers) and what I was trying to do (find truth/see god). I know she will never really be able to understand from my POV, but I hope she gets me a little better now. I think she believes I stopped believing because it wasn't working for me...which, in the end, is true. She doesn't believe I am evil or a sinner or lazy or offended or whatever. I call that a victory.
I was also able to stand up for myself this time. Last time we had this kind of talk I let her hurt me and say things that weren't fair without standing up for myself.
~Those who benefit from the status quo always attribute inequities to the choices of the underdog.~Ann Crittenden ~The Goddess is not separate from the world-She is the world and all things in it.~
just me wrote:I had a good talk with my mom yesterday.
One thing I will share is that I told her how I would always pray to be perfect because I felt if I could just be perfect I could be happy. She thought that was interesting because she always thought I was perfect. (I was the "goody-goody" child) I mentioned that being unhappy meant (to me based on lessons learned at church) that I must be doing something wrong. If I would just pray MORE, read the scriptures MORE, go to the temple MORE, do missionary work MORE, etc...that then I would be happy. But in the end, I could never do enough or be perfect enough and was always ultimately unhappy.
The church is really not a healthy place for a perfectionist with anxiety. LMAO
I think that you may have misread the church. The church has never claimed that people can be always happy. It is not possible to be always happy since there needs to be opposites in all things. Also, the church does not teach that people can be perfect. It is also impossible to be perfect. This is why we have the atonement. If we could be perfect, no need for the atonement.
It is a little sad that you misread the church. You just needed to loosen up a bit when you were in church.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
just me wrote:I had a good talk with my mom yesterday.
One thing I will share is that I told her how I would always pray to be perfect because I felt if I could just be perfect I could be happy. She thought that was interesting because she always thought I was perfect. (I was the "goody-goody" child) I mentioned that being unhappy meant (to me based on lessons learned at church) that I must be doing something wrong. If I would just pray MORE, read the scriptures MORE, go to the temple MORE, do missionary work MORE, etc...that then I would be happy. But in the end, I could never do enough or be perfect enough and was always ultimately unhappy.
The church is really not a healthy place for a perfectionist with anxiety. LMAO
I think that you may have misread the church. The church has never claimed that people can be always happy. It is not possible to be always happy since there needs to be opposites in all things. Also, the church does not teach that people can be perfect. It is also impossible to be perfect. This is why we have the atonement. If we could be perfect, no need for the atonement.
It is a little sad that you misread the church. You just needed to loosen up a bit when you were in church.
"Eternal life hangs in the balance awaiting the works of men. This process toward eternal life is a matter of achieving perfection. Living all the commandments guarantees total forgiveness of sins and assures one of exaltation through the perfection which comes by complying with the formula the Lord gave us... Being perfect means to triumph over sin. This is a mandate from the Lord. He is just and wise and kind. He would never require anything from his children which was not for their benefit and which was not attainable. Perfection therefore is an achievable goal." - Spencer W. Kimball
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.