The only true church?

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Re: The only true church?

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bcspace wrote:Doesn't matter. It's not published by the Church which is the standard for doctrine. .


Well, Facsimile No. 3 is published by the Church and is standard doctrine and official. Nothing you can say can stop that. Faithful Mormons would burn you at the stake if you tried.

What is the name of the king written in the writing of Facsimile No. 3. bcspace? You've yet to give a proper answer for the lies declared by Joe Smith, the founding prophet of Mormonism.

Enter the name on the line below, you Mormon.

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Re: The only true church?

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A quick search shows late 2011 at least.

Who? What did he say?


I bear witness that President Thomas S. Monson is Their prophet and that this is the only true Church upon the face of the earth. I know that the Prophet Joseph Smith is the prophet of the Restoration. I testify that the Book of Mormon is the word of God. It gives us guidance and models to follow in order to become more like God and His Beloved Son. I so declare in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, amen.
Elder José L. Alonso, Doing the Right Thing at the Right Time, without Delay, Ensign, Nov. 2011


Because of this declaration of the Lord, we refer to this, His Church—our Church—as the “only true Church.”
By Elder Dallin H. Oaks, The Only True and Living Church, New Era, Aug. 2011

x3 in the same article


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Re: The only true church?

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This is a tough teaching for the Dehlin followers.
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Re: The only true church?

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This is a tough teaching for the Dehlin followers.


Part of how they are easily identified.
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Re: The only true church?

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bcspace wrote:
I bear witness that President Thomas S. Monson is Their prophet and that this is the only true Church upon the face of the earth. I know that the Prophet Joseph Smith is the prophet of the Restoration. I testify that the Book of Mormon is the word of God. It gives us guidance and models to follow in order to become more like God and His Beloved Son. I so declare in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, amen.
Elder José L. Alonso, Doing the Right Thing at the Right Time, without Delay, Ensign, Nov. 2011


Is this official representative of the church going to tell us the name of the king that is written in the writing of Facsimile No. 3 to help back his claims that Joe Smith knew what he was talking about?

I don't think this quack is going to say a thing. And that pretty much does it for the authority of the church. The church loses. True Egyptology may continue to march onward without the church to impede the way. Mormonism will not stop the science of Egyptology with false translations.

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Re: The only true church?

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bcspace wrote:
A quick search shows late 2011 at least. Etc. etc.


I think I said none of the first presidency have said it since 2008. And really it has been longer since the president of the church has said it.
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Re: The only true church?

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zeezrom wrote:This is a tough teaching for the Dehlin followers.


I don't understand, what is the tough teaching.

I also don't know what qualifies as a Dehlin follower.
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Re: The only true church?

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I think I said none of the first presidency have said it since 2008. And really it has been longer since the president of the church has said it.


Why would it matter? They approve of everything published by the Church.
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Re: The only true church?

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ldsfaqs wrote:The Church has always been diplomatic when it concerned other religions.



Really?

Here are two quotes from the current LDS canon...

19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all ccorrupt; that: “they near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”


Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth (Book of Mormon, 1 Nephi 14:10)


Brigham Young (Mormonism's Second President) said:
Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness (Journal of Discourses 5:73).
The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God (Journal of Discourses 8:171).
With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world (Journal of Discourses 8:199).
The religion of God embraces every fact that exists in all the wide arena of nature, while the religions of men consist of theory devoid of fact, or of any true principle of guidance; hence the professing Christian world are like a ship upon a boisterous ocean without rudder, compass, or pilot, and are tossed hither and thither by every wind of doctrine (Journal of Discourses 10:265).
... the time came when Paganism was engrafted into Christianity, and at last Christianity was converted into Paganism rather than converting the Pagans (Journal of Discourses 22:44).
Brother Taylor has just said that the religions of the day were hatched in hell. The eggs were laid in hell, hatched on its borders, and kicked on to the earth (Journal of Discourses 6:176).


Spencer W. Kimball wrote:
Presumptuous and blasphemous are they who purport to baptize, bless, marry, or perform other sacraments in the name of the Lord while in fact lacking the specific authorization" (The Miracle of Forgiveness, pg.55).


Is this LDS diplomacy?

ldsfaqs, you are either ignorant or a liar - which one?
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Re: The only true church?

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Drifting wrote:
ldsfaqs wrote:The Church has always been diplomatic when it concerned other religions.



Really?

Here is a quote from the current LDS canon...

19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all ccorrupt; that: “they near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”


Is this LDS diplomacy?


Sigh. How many times must we explain?

'wrong' does not mean 'untrue', it means, well, 'could do a bit better in the accuracy department'.
'creed' does not mean beliefs, but refers only to any authorised formal statement of those beliefs. No problem with the actual content of those beliefs is implied or intended.
'abomination' does not mean ... well, anything nasty. It just means 'possibly a teensy weensy bit off beam'.
'corrupt' is a gentle term of mild reproof, expressing no moral condemnation. It conveys something like 'occasionally fallible'.

It's the same anti-mormon lies over and over again.
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