Fence Sitter wrote:I wonder if the Church realizes how ineffective it is to have an octogenarian give talks to teenagers about chastity?
Obviously not. But the list of things that the Brethren do that is ineffective is long and varied. That's what happens when you are out of touch of what is real. Their day of influence is long past.
We need to find a different method of retiring our leaders. Medical advances have made it so that they are in power long after their abilities and effectiveness is past.
America's Next Top 'Postle perhaps?
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
Harmony wrote:We need to find a different method of retiring our leaders. Medical advances have made it so that they are in power long after their abilities and effectiveness is past.
I think that every GA should serve a maximum of 5 years. At the end of years, they are rotated into an Emeritus status, and go back to serve in their home wards and stakes. This would allow fresh new faces with new perspectives. Also, I think it would be more fair to the GA's themselves. 5 years is a long time to serve, and it is taxing on not only them, but their families, as well.
Harmony wrote:We need to find a different method of retiring our leaders. Medical advances have made it so that they are in power long after their abilities and effectiveness is past.
I think that every GA should serve a maximum of 5 years. At the end of years, they are rotated into an Emeritus status, and go back to serve in their home wards and stakes. This would allow fresh new faces with new perspectives. Also, I think it would be more fair to the GA's themselves. 5 years is a long time to serve, and it is taxing on not only them, but their families, as well.
Adding to that: maybe a top age? Isn't 70 the oldest a man can be and still serve a mission? Why are the Brethren exempt from that?
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
You and I should be top administrators for the Church. We would be a good team and straighten things out! ;-)
Currently, members of the first quorum of seventy are given "emeritus" status at age 70, though on occasion the time has been extended in individual cases. Members of the other quorums of seventy serve 5-year terms and are then released. Only the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve are lifetime appointments.
Technically, the office of Patriarch is also a lifetime calling, but that position has not been occupied since President Kimball gave Eldred G. Smith emeritus status in 1979 and thus "honorably relieved of all duties and responsibilities pertaining to the office of Patriarch to the Church."
Technically, the office of Patriarch is also a lifetime calling, but that position has not been occupied since President Kimball gave Eldred G. Smith emeritus status in 1979 and thus "honorably relieved of all duties and responsibilities pertaining to the office of Patriarch to the Church."
Wow, I did not realize he is still alive!!! 105 years old!!!
"Any over-ritualized religion since the dawn of time can make its priests say yes, we know, it is rotten, and hard luck, but just do as we say, keep at the ritual, stick it out, give us your money and you'll end up with the angels in heaven for evermore."
Fence Sitter wrote:Wow, I did not realize he is still alive!!! 105 years old!!!
I was equally surprised. I haven't heard anything about him in years. Allegedly, he was emeritized because he was unhappy that his role as "prophet, seer, and revelator" had been diminished in the church.
Are we saying that the Church no longer has a Patriarch at GA level?
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
Drifting wrote:Are we saying that the Church no longer has a Patriarch at GA level?
Yes.
Well how can the 'We have the same organization as the Church Jesus set up' still stand?
It was either incorrect by having a Church Patriarch in the first place or it's incorrect now.
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator