LDS Church's Baptism Of Dead Jews Could Raise Concerns

[_The Mormon Report]

For your consideration:

Mormon Church's Prior Baptism Of Dead Jews Could Raise Concerns For Florida Voters | The Huffington Post

[_bcspace]

Wald, whose grandparents died in the Holocaust, said, "Jews are understandably angered when another religious faith denies the legitimacy of Judaism by attempting conversion — and that is precisely what these retroactive baptisms do."

Judaism is not singled out when doing baptisms for the dead. After a few generations, whose ancestors belong to whom?

[_Drifting]

Wald, whose grandparents died in the Holocaust, said, "Jews are understandably angered when another religious faith denies the legitimacy of Judaism by attempting conversion — and that is precisely what these retroactive baptisms do."

Judaism is not singled out when doing baptisms for the dead. After a few generations, whose ancestors belong to whom?

If I recall correctly The Church has recognised it is in error and has apologised and committed to stop doing it.
Sadly it overpromised and underdelivered - a common theme throughout Mormonism.

I'm sure they've stopped doing it by now....

[_tapirrider]

Wald, whose grandparents died in the Holocaust, said, "Jews are understandably angered when another religious faith denies the legitimacy of Judaism by attempting conversion — and that is precisely what these retroactive baptisms do."

Judaism is not singled out when doing baptisms for the dead. After a few generations, whose ancestors belong to whom?

Mormons have caused contentions with Holocaust survivors and Catholics. Regardless of who owns the ancestors, the Catholic church does own records and are not willing to share them with Mormons.

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/ ... ds_church/

And according to bcspace, after enough generations the ancestors did not even have human souls. There is no need for Mormon salvation for the people that built this structure 11,600 years ago. Their spirits were not the children of God and there is no need to proxy baptize "animals" that looked and behaved like humans.

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2011/ ... /mann-text

[_Buffalo]

They should just perform one final vicarious baptism, and be done with it.

"Brother Jacob Anthony Jones, having been commissioned of Jesus Christ, I baptize you, for and in behalf of everyone who ever died without baptism, and who will in the future die without baptism, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, Amen."

Seems like it'd save a lot of time, expense, and PR headaches.

Then do likewise with endowments, sealings, etc. That'd cut a lot of red tape and busy work.

[_Fence Sitter]

Why they even bother to do it in this life is puzzling, wouldn't it just be a lot easier in the spirit world? After all spirits are made out of finer material that theoretically could be baptized.

[_Dantana]

Why they even bother to do it in this life is puzzling, wouldn't it just be a lot easier in the spirit world? After all spirits are made out of finer material that theoretically could be baptized.

Good point.
Also, My thinking is, The baptism ritual is either a symbolic ritual a persons submits to in order to show submission and contrition, or it is a mechanical, physical, cause and effect type production that the physical body must go through to physically, mechanically enter heaven.

If it is physical, mechanical, then how could baptizing another in proxy effect a change in the physical body or spirit body of another?

If it is a symbolic ritual, then what's the point in having another submit in proxy, why not just ask the soul in person to say yea or nay?

[_DarkHelmet]

Wald, whose grandparents died in the Holocaust, said, "Jews are understandably angered when another religious faith denies the legitimacy of Judaism by attempting conversion — and that is precisely what these retroactive baptisms do."

Judaism is not singled out when doing baptisms for the dead. After a few generations, whose ancestors belong to whom?

Actually, Judaism IS singled out. It was part of the deal the church made with Jewish leaders. Once again the doctrine according to BC Space differs from the gospel according to the church authorizes.

From the OP article:

Negotiations between Mormon and Jewish leaders led to an agreement in 1995 to stop the posthumous baptism of all Jews, not just Holocaust victims, except in the case of direct ancestors of Mormons.

[_Drifting]

They should just perform one final vicarious baptism, and be done with it.

"Brother Jacob Anthony Jones, having been commissioned of Jesus Christ, I baptize you, for and in behalf of everyone who ever died without baptism, and who will in the future die without baptism, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, Amen."

Seems like it'd save a lot of time, expense, and PR headaches.

Then do likewise with endowments, sealings, etc. That'd cut a lot of red tape and busy work.

Exactly like Christ did for all mankinds sins.
So we know your suggestion is both feasible and agreeable to God.

[_Buffalo]

They should just perform one final vicarious baptism, and be done with it.

"Brother Jacob Anthony Jones, having been commissioned of Jesus Christ, I baptize you, for and in behalf of everyone who ever died without baptism, and who will in the future die without baptism, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, Amen."

Seems like it'd save a lot of time, expense, and PR headaches.

Then do likewise with endowments, sealings, etc. That'd cut a lot of red tape and busy work.

Exactly like Christ did for all mankinds sins.
So we know your suggestion is both feasible and agreeable to God.

Since Will Schryver has received his second anointing and had his calling and election made sure, I'd suggest him for the final baptism.