mikuu wrote:It doesn't make sense. If he didn't have sex with them he was doing it wrong per the D&C and common practic after him. I don't undestand how that helps the pro "Joseph was inspired by god" viewpoint.
The problem is that you're working from the assumption that apologists are rational, logical and consistent. If you let that go, it will all be easier to understand.
+1
Mormon apologetics reminds me of Terry Gilliam's 1985 film, Brazil. "It's only a state of mind." That's the only way you can make sense of Mormon apologetics--to realize it doesn't make any sense. Mormon Apologetics is inherently an exercise of trying to hold two different, logically opposing views in one's mind at the same time, and attempt to make them mesh. Square peg, round hole problem all over again.
Apparently, the boys and girls at NAMIRS did not learn the lesson from playing with square pegs and round holes in nursery school that the square peg doesn't fit into the round hole.
Buffalo wrote:I wonder why Emma was so furious at Joseph for his relationships with other women if they were platonic.
+100
If the sealings were only about the law of adoption, which was the claim of the LDS Reorganized Church, then there would not have been any reason for Emma to be upset.
mikuu wrote:It doesn't make sense. If he didn't have sex with them he was doing it wrong per the D&C and common practic after him. I don't undestand how that helps the pro "Joseph was inspired by god" viewpoint.
The problem is that you're working from the assumption that apologists are rational, logical and consistent. If you let that go, it will all be easier to understand.
LOL! Great quote! Someone should snag it for a siggy. I already have too many on mine that I want to keep. ;-)
Sock Puppet wrote:Mormon apologetics reminds me of Terry Gilliam's 1985 film, Brazil.
mikuu wrote:Could someone explain to me why it matters whether or not Joseph had sex with his plural wives? I don't undestand considering those who followed him into it did have sex. It was Mormon polygamous practice to create babies with their wives. Thanks.
I've asked this exact same question. Nobody can answer it. TBMs and apologists defend Joseph Smith by claiming he didn't have sex with anyone but Emma, yet they freely admit that Brigham Young nailed anything that moved. Also, D&C 132 states that the purpose of polygamy is to raise up righteous seed. How can you raise seed without sex? In fact, if Joseph Smith married a woman and didn't have sex with her, that would be even more abusive to deny her motherhood and intimacy, and he would remove her from the population as a vessel to raise up seed. It would make no sense for Joseph to be in platonic marriages.
"We have taken up arms in defense of our liberty, our property, our wives, and our children; we are determined to preserve them, or die." - Captain Moroni - 'Address to the Inhabitants of Canada' 1775
mikuu wrote:It doesn't make sense. If he didn't have sex with them he was doing it wrong per the D&C and common practic after him. I don't undestand how that helps the pro "Joseph was inspired by god" viewpoint.
liz3564 wrote:
Some Schmo wrote:The problem is that you're working from the assumption that apologists are rational, logical and consistent. If you let that go, it will all be easier to understand.
LOL! Great quote! Someone should snag it for a siggy. I already have too many on mine that I want to keep. ;-)
Sock Puppet wrote:Mormon apologetics reminds me of Terry Gilliam's 1985 film, Brazil.
Ugh! I hated that movie.
Was that because it is nonsensical? Like Mormon apologetics?
This question feels strange to me now. It was such a big deal. It was the Titanic of my world view. The din of chaos overwhelmed me. Now, I watch the ocean from the stern like Jacques Cousteau, observing a different world.
It's as if the question (in the OP) is an appendage on my body that has gone numb from abuse. That is the only way to describe it. There is nothing left to say about the matter because it provides me no stimulation to discuss it. Maybe this is because the ship sunk and all I can see is the marine life, in all its wonder.
Edit to change the last sentence: "...in all its majesty." That's better.
Oh for shame, how the mortals put the blame on us gods, for they say evils come from us, but it is they, rather, who by their own recklessness win sorrow beyond what is given... Zeus (1178 BC)
it does seem strange that we debate whether or not Joseph Smith Jr had sex with his wives and yet no one ever asks the same thing about anyone else who ever practiced polygamy in the Church.
"Any over-ritualized religion since the dawn of time can make its priests say yes, we know, it is rotten, and hard luck, but just do as we say, keep at the ritual, stick it out, give us your money and you'll end up with the angels in heaven for evermore."
Drifting wrote:It matters because some of them married Joseph when they were 15, 16, 17 when and he was 37, 38.
and for some... married to other men, many of which were his friends.
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.