Why does it matter if Joseph had relations with his wives

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Re: Why does it matter if Joseph had relations with his wive

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Carton wrote:Except, of course, I don't think BY had any wives he married when they were still young teens. Maybe that's the real problem--although I doubt very many members even know that some of Joseph Smith's wives were so young.


Lorenzo Snow married a 14-year-old girl when he was 42. He was 82 when his youngest child was born.
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Runtu wrote:
Carton wrote:Except, of course, I don't think BY had any wives he married when they were still young teens. Maybe that's the real problem--although I doubt very many members even know that some of Joseph Smith's wives were so young.


Lorenzo Snow married a 14-year-old girl when he was 72. He was 98 when his youngest child was born.


I wonder when the apologetics about their "platonic" relationship will be forthcoming?
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Buffalo wrote:I wonder when the apologetics about their "platonic" relationship will be forthcoming?


He also married two girls who were 17 and one who was 16.
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Runtu wrote:
Carton wrote:Except, of course, I don't think BY had any wives he married when they were still young teens. Maybe that's the real problem--although I doubt very many members even know that some of Joseph Smith's wives were so young.


Lorenzo Snow married a 14-year-old girl when he was 72. He was 98 when his youngest child was born.

Must have been a righteous seed that was needed.
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I'm bad at math, apparently. Lorenzo Snow fathered his youngest child at age 82.
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Re: Why does it matter if Joseph had relations with his wive

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Runtu wrote:I'm bad at math, apparently. Lorenzo Snow fathered his youngest child at age 82.

Thank god. 98 was giving me mental image nightmares.
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sock puppet wrote:
Runtu wrote:I'm bad at math, apparently. Lorenzo Snow fathered his youngest child at age 82.

Thank god. 98 was giving me mental image nightmares.


And 82 doesn't?

Good grief. And no Viagra!
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liz3564 wrote:
Buffalo wrote:I wonder why Emma was so furious at Joseph for his relationships with other women if they were platonic.


+100

If the sealings were only about the law of adoption, which was the claim of the LDS Reorganized Church, then there would not have been any reason for Emma to be upset.

+101

Furthermore, if these were only "sealings" wherein no sex was involved, why did Joseph have section 101:4 of the D&C canonized rebuking polygamy?
Inasmuch as this Church of Christ has been reproached with the crime of fornication and polygamy, we declare that we believe that one man should have one wife, and one woman but one husband, except in the case of death, when either is at liberty to marry again.

Why was the practice called Polygamy if it did not involve knocking up the Mia Maids during a sleepover at the prophet Joseph's home?
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Re: Why does it matter if Joseph had relations with his wive

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Buffalo wrote:I wonder when the apologetics about their "platonic" relationship will be forthcoming?


It will be a hard sell since he got the 17 year old phoebe pregnant before her 18th birthday at 45 years old.
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ldsfaqs wrote:.
First, Joseph only married THREE people if I'm remembering right under 18, out of some 30 marriages.

Stop. Just stop. Can you really not see how this doesn't help? Joseph married Emma, and we assume covenanted with her to cleave unto her and to no other woman, as most marriage covenants include. What then does it matter if "only" THREE of the 30something other women he ended up fake-marrying were under 18 when he was 37 or 38? You honestly don't see this, do you?
I don't call that much of a pedophile, similar to Warren Jeffs.

I agree that Joseph Smith was probably not really a pedophile, since he was attracted to women or girls who had probably already experienced puberty, in some cases within the last year or two, but still.

So Joseph was just an adulterer, not also a pedophile.
Further, it is clear that most of his marriages were absolutely SEALING ONLY, especially when that what everyone knew and said, and he married other mens wives also, by sealing only.

Even if I believed your claim, which I don't, how does only most of Joseph's fake marriages not involving him having sex with the women get Joseph out of trouble for the ones that he did have sex with? You really can't see how defenses like yours just don't help?
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