Atheists - the most hated minority

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Re: Atheists - the most hated minority

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Notice that you say that you would as a general rule distrust an atheist more than someone who is religious. You know why that is bigoted? A person being an atheist doesn't actually tell you enough about their trustworthiness to prejudge them in this way. It's unreasonably negatively prejudging a person based on their belonging to a class of people. Since there isn't even reason to think atheists as a group have a correlation with being more untrustworthy, this is in some ways worse than being worried that a black person will commit a crime because they are black.

Your argument here that this shouldn't be considered bigoted is ridiculous. The fact that an atheist can effectively conceal his identity from you and therefore shield themselves from your prejudices doesn't mean you aren't a bigot. The fact that you actually blame the atheist for your own bigoted reactions towards them because they outed themselves is appalling.


I don't intend to speak for Hoops, but this is how I interpret his comments regarding the trustworthiness of atheists. If Hoops' worldview relies on a deity as moral compass, he naturally would be skeptical of those who lack belief in that same deity.

How is that bigoted?
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Hoops wrote: I also explained how that might play out. Which you've conveniently disregarded.


Happily, I had posted on this before you wrote this post.

You explained that so long as the atheist keeps his mouth shut about his beliefs, you won't discriminate against them. This, apparently, is supposed to make you enlightened and not a bigot. It doesn't. It kinda makes you awful.
I'm confident that if you had a choice between entering into a business relationship between two people, one of whom relies on experience, data, and advice vs. the other who prays for direction, and acts upon it - that you would choose the former. I suppose that makes you a bigot. Certainly to the same degree that I am one.

Whether someone relies on experience, data, and advice or prayer to make business decisions has a concrete impact on the the potential quality of their decisions. It isn't irrational to go with the former over the latter. Bigotry is obstinate prejudice. The word obstinate matters.
That people who make value judgements are bigots.


I'm happy to inform you that I don't think that. I think people who make bigoted value judgements, such as your distrust of atheists, are bigoted. This doesn't make me a "bigot against bigots" or whatever you it is you think. Again, it's obstinate prejudice - not any old disapprobation.
I have yet to see you stake out any ground apart from the atheist camp.


Well, you're highly limited reading of a few of my posts on a message board dedicated to religious discussion clearly represents the entirety of my writing and behavior.

You were asking about bigotry?

Your reading comprehension isn't the best. I'm not liberal nor is my argument a particularly liberal one. It's straightforwardly the decent position to hold - that claiming everyone is bigoted doesn't excuse anyone's bigotry. I was mocking your idea that what I was saying was "liberal nitwittery."
You seem unable to countenance that loving, responsible, caring, people see it different than you.


No, I accept that loving, responsible, caring people can hold bigoted views. Racists generally don't spend their free time eating babies. People are complicated like that.
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Re: Atheists - the most hated minority

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You explained that so long as the atheist keeps his mouth shut about his beliefs, you won't discriminate against them. This, apparently, is supposed to make you enlightened and not a bigot. It doesn't. It kinda makes you awful.


No, it doesn't kinda make him awful. It would make him a believer living according to this beliefs in the Biblical sense.

In other words, it would make him consistent from a Christian perspective.
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Re: Atheists - the most hated minority

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Jersey Girl wrote:
I don't intend to speak for Hoops, but this is how I interpret his comments regarding the trustworthiness of atheists. If Hoops' worldview relies on a deity as moral compass, he naturally would be skeptical of those who lack belief in that same deity.

How is that bigoted?


If I believe that God cursed black people with inferiority, naturally I would think that black people are inferior. The fact that I genuinely think this doesn't make it not bigoted. It just explains the source of my bigotry.

Atheists do not have an inferior moral compass because they lack Hoop's religious beliefs. If Hoop's religious beliefs tell him otherwise, then his religious beliefs are causing him to hold irrational, negative views about atheists. I can't help it if his religion includes bad ideas about morality.
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I hate all atheists!












































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Re: Atheists - the most hated minority

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Jersey Girl wrote:EA
You explained that so long as the atheist keeps his mouth shut about his beliefs, you won't discriminate against them. This, apparently, is supposed to make you enlightened and not a bigot. It doesn't. It kinda makes you awful.


No, it doesn't kinda make him awful. It would make him a believer living according to this beliefs in the Biblical sense.

In other words, it would make him consistent from a Christian perspective.


So what you are saying is the Christian perspective is inherently bigoted and requires one to discriminate against atheists and drive them into silence? That's not exactly a bangup defense of Hoops or Christianity. Fortunately for Christians, they don't have to think that. Unfortunately for Hoops, he does seem to think that.
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EAllusion wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:
I don't intend to speak for Hoops, but this is how I interpret his comments regarding the trustworthiness of atheists. If Hoops' worldview relies on a deity as moral compass, he naturally would be skeptical of those who lack belief in that same deity.

How is that bigoted?


If I believe that God cursed black people with inferiority, naturally I would think that black people are inferior. The fact that I genuinely think this doesn't make it not bigoted. It just explains the source of my bigotry.

Atheists do not have an inferior moral compass because they lack Hoop's religious beliefs. If Hoop's religious beliefs tell him otherwise, then his religious beliefs are causing him to hold irrational, negative views about atheists. I can't help it if his religion includes bad ideas about morality.


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You explained that so long as the atheist keeps his mouth shut about his beliefs, you won't discriminate against them. This, apparently, is supposed to make you enlightened and not a bigot. It doesn't. It kinda makes you awful.


Jersey Girl wrote:No, it doesn't kinda make him awful. It would make him a believer living according to this beliefs in the Biblical sense.

In other words, it would make him consistent from a Christian perspective.


EAllusion wrote:So what you are saying is the Christian perspective is inherently bigoted and requires one to discriminate against atheists and drive them into silence? That's not exactly a bangup defense of Hoops or Christianity. Fortunately for Christians, they don't have to think that. Unfortunately for Hoops, he does seem to think that.


No, I'm not saying that the Christian perspective is "inherently bigoted" and thanks for attempt to twist my words to suit your agenda. That said, I have posted nothing here as a "defense" of Christianity or Hoops. What I have done is offer an explanation. Again, thanks for twisting it into a pretzel, I wouldn't want to think that I'm communicating with anyone who was manipulative.

ALL Christians are held to Biblical scripture, in that regard, ALL Christians would avoid entering into business relationships with atheists. So yes, EA, ALL Christians are responsible for acting on that in their business relationships, not just Hoops.

I get that you have a case of the ass for Hoops for one reason or another, please brush up on your reading of the New Testament so you don't feel compelled to make an ass of yourself by singling out Hoops as if he were the only Christian believer who might respond in the way that he has.
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Ceeboo wrote:I hate all atheists!




























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Re: Atheists - the most hated minority

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Fortunately for Christians, they don't have to think that

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