North American Horses

[_Chap]

I haven't bothered reading any posts yet but based on topics, it seems this site is for Mormon bashing.

Have you ever heard of the fallacy of pejorative description? It is a kind of pseudo-argument that takes it for granted that you have found a fault in someone's position if you can find a neat little name for it that sounds bad. Like 'predatory capitalism' and 'class war' to take two recent examples from opposite ends of the political spectrum.

Yes, this is a board where people frequently criticize the doctrinal and disciplinary positions enunciated by leaders of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Some of those criticisms may be justified. Some may not. Dismissing them all as 'Mormon-bashing' says nothing except perhaps that you find such criticisms uncongenial. Fine - there is no arguing about tastes.

The people who came to N. American from Jerusalem about 600BC found horses. Were horses here already, where they brought here, or ?

Thanks

You will find carefully complied material relative to discussions about pre-Columbian horses here:

http://www.mormonmesoamerica.com/

Maybe post some more when you have looked at the material on horses for 10-15 minutes? I hope you find it interesting.

[_Ceeboo]

Hey DrW

With apologies to Ceeboo;

No apology needed (appreciated all the same) :)

what he should have said is that there are a ton of atheists here who were formerly faithful members of the Mormon Church.

Without question!

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_Tator]

ScottMc

Welcome to the board. Best wishes on your journey. This is a great safe place to learn, rant, discover, float ideas, etc.

Horses aren't the only problem with the Book of Mormon but a great place to start.

The very best and complimentary thing I can say about the Book of Mormon is that it is a work of fiction with some fairly good "faith promoting" stories in it.

Tator

[_Fence Sitter]

Hi Scott


(Some of which is offered by members here at MDB that have family lineage all the way back to the early 1800's)


Peace,
Ceeboo

This site is a lot older than I thought, nor did I realize we had members related to Shades. :)

[_Fence Sitter]

Scott,

Welcome to the board and good luck with your investigation.

I would suggest that how and where you conduct your investigation will have a great deal to do with what the outcome is. If you stick to the material provided by the Church and its missionaries you will be presented with a very rosy picture of the Church and likely find it very appealing. By and large Mormons, in real life, are a great group of people. Should you spend any amount of time on the internet you will find a vast amount of information, most of which will be biased one way or the other. You will also find, at least on discussion boards, there seems to be very little difference in the behavior of both the critic and the believer, each exhibit a wide range of behavior.

You are already asking questions that show you have encountered some of the difficulties of Mormonism. It appears you are getting information outside of material produced by the Church. Should you decide to continue investigating using message boards on the internet here is another site that is clearly slanted toward believing members. http://www.mormondialogue.org/forum/11-general-discussions/ You can ask questions at this site but the moderation tends to come down fast on anyone who vigorously disputes cherished beliefs, unless you happen to have some scholastic credentials or abilities, then they are selectively and arbitrarily more tolerant.

Outside of the scriptures there are a number of books that you can read regarding Mormonism, one of which stands out from the rest. Rough Stone Rolling by Richard Bushman is an outstanding book generally admired by both critic and believer alike.

[_The Dude]

Taken as a whole, it seems most impossible that someone could have written such a long history without help from some sort of Higher Power.

Really??? I think a higher power could do a much better job than what you find in the Book of Mormon, which is poorly written and boring as hell. That's my opinion, anyway.

Some people think crop circles and the pyramids of Egypt were made by higher powers (aliens) because they figure humans couldn't have made them. Mormon apologists would have you follow similar logic to conclude that a higher power must have helped Joseph Smith.

Bigfoot
Loch Ness Monster
Bermuda Triangle
Astrology
Atlantis
Book of Mormon

[_bcspace]

The people who came to N. American from Jerusalem about 600BC found horses. Were horses here already, where they brought here, or ?

There is nothing but anecdotal evidence that horses were here at the time. However, I also recognize that there is no evidence against. My opinion is that there probably was a small population of them as they don't appear to have been used in battle. Others have postulated a "loan shift" for the word "horse", but since we are a speaking of a translation, I find that unlikely.

[_Themis]

The people who came to N. American from Jerusalem about 600BC found horses. Were horses here already, where they brought here, or ?

There is nothing but anecdotal evidence that horses were here at the time. However, I also recognize that there is no evidence against. My opinion is that there probably was a small population of them as they don't appear to have been used in battle. Others have postulated a "loan shift" for the word "horse", but since we are a speaking of a translation, I find that unlikely.

Don't forget that in this case, absence of evidence is evidence of absence. :)

[_bcspace]

Don't forget that in this case, absence of evidence is evidence of absence. :)

It's natural law for pseudo scientists like you yes.

[_Equality]

However, I also recognize that there is no evidence against.

Have you read Jared Diamond's "Guns, Germs, and Steel"?