My First Encounters with Institutional Mormonism

[_SteelHead]

If the flood served as a baptism, but it was local..... Wouldn't a rebaptism have to occur as it would be akin to a toe coming out?

[_ldsfaqs]

While a local flood is a reasonable possibility, I think a Global Flood actually did occur.

Remember, this would have been essentially a flash flood, or a "temporary" water puddle. For example, for Moses his whole area could have been mostly water, but the rest of the earth could have experienced a flash flood that WOULD NOT be detectable today. Even the water in Moses area wouldn't be detectable if it retracted and seeped into the ground like a normal rain does.

Geology only shows 'regular' water collection spots (i.e. lakes etc.) and "regular" flash flood spots.
Water simply rushing over the earth and not remaining very long, receding again simply would not show in the sciences.

Water on the earth some 40 days simply would not show in the sciences.

[_Brackite]

Look at what I just found.

Ancient Voyaging and Polynesian Origins:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 9711000103

[_Themis]

Remember, this would have been essentially a flash flood, or a "temporary" water puddle. For example, for Moses his whole area could have been mostly water, but the rest of the earth could have experienced a flash flood that WOULD NOT be detectable today. Even the water in Moses area wouldn't be detectable if it retracted and seeped into the ground like a normal rain does.

Geology only shows 'regular' water collection spots (i.e. lakes etc.) and "regular" flash flood spots.
Water simply rushing over the earth and not remaining very long, receding again simply would not show in the sciences.

Water on the earth some 40 days simply would not show in the sciences.

Not true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outburst_flood

[_Tator]

While a local flood is a reasonable possibility, I think a Global Flood actually did occur.

Remember, this would have been essentially a flash flood, or a "temporary" water puddle. For example, for Moses his whole area could have been mostly water, but the rest of the earth could have experienced a flash flood that WOULD NOT be detectable today. Even the water in Moses area wouldn't be detectable if it retracted and seeped into the ground like a normal rain does.

Geology only shows 'regular' water collection spots (i.e. lakes etc.) and "regular" flash flood spots.
Water simply rushing over the earth and not remaining very long, receding again simply would not show in the sciences.

Water on the earth some 40 days simply would not show in the sciences.

Moses????? I thought this story was about Noah.

[_DrW]

Water on the earth some 40 days simply would not show in the sciences.

Right. Just like Old World DNA from trans-oceanic migrations would simply not be detectable in the pre-Columbian Amerindian genome.

[_ldsfaqs]

Remember, this would have been essentially a flash flood, or a "temporary" water puddle. For example, for Moses his whole area could have been mostly water, but the rest of the earth could have experienced a flash flood that WOULD NOT be detectable today. Even the water in Moses area wouldn't be detectable if it retracted and seeped into the ground like a normal rain does.

Geology only shows 'regular' water collection spots (i.e. lakes etc.) and "regular" flash flood spots.
Water simply rushing over the earth and not remaining very long, receding again simply would not show in the sciences.

Water on the earth some 40 days simply would not show in the sciences.

Not true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outburst_flood

Actually it is true..... Because time can easily cover up A LOT, and wouldn't be detectable in the Geological strata. Just because some "individual" flash floods have been detected and know, doesn't mean all are, and especially a Global version. Even further debunking your claims, flash floods no matter the size tend to have a "pattern", in other words, it's happened before, even if it was several thousand years before. Flash flooding in Coastal Regions for example are very common, even if they happen a 100 years or more apart.

Further, you clearly didn't read the article. It shows that the "remnants" of most outburst floods end up being LAKES.

The flooding that I'm talking about was shortlived, and most water withdrew.
The Geological record would not detect an ENTIRE EARTH covered in Water for a very brief period. Only if it was a long period and/or regular. Thus, you're wrong.

[_ldsfaqs]

Water on the earth some 40 days simply would not show in the sciences.

Right. Just like Old World DNA from trans-oceanic migrations would simply not be detectable in the pre-Columbian Amerindian genome.

That's standard DNA science...... A small group entering into a larger group simply would not show save maybe in rare cases. Surprised you don't know this very common DNA fact. Clearly you are reading too much anti-mormonism rather than the actual DNA sciences.

Further, you are aware that VERY FEW natives of the America's have even been tested?
I'm sure if everyone was tested much more so-called Hebrew DNA would be found.

[_Themis]

Actually it is true..... Because time can easily cover up A LOT, and wouldn't be detectable in the Geological strata. Just because some "individual" flash floods have been detected and know, doesn't mean all are, and especially a Global version. Even further debunking your claims, flash floods no matter the size tend to have a "pattern", in other words, it's happened before, even if it was several thousand years before. Flash flooding in Coastal Regions for example are very common, even if they happen a 100 years or more apart.

Further, you clearly didn't read the article. It shows that the "remnants" of most outburst floods end up being LAKES.

The flooding that I'm talking about was shortlived, and most water withdrew.
The Geological record would not detect an ENTIRE EARTH covered in Water for a very brief period. Only if it was a long period and/or regular. Thus, you're wrong.

Take some geological courses at school, particularly in geomorphology. You are clearly wrong here. Larger floods tend to leave more of a mark. Read the article I posted instead of just responding. You believe in a global flood which clearly did not happen. Local flood is meaningless since Noah wouldn't need to build a boat. It's just a myth that was probably based on past flood events.

Further, you clearly didn't read the article. It shows that the "remnants" of most outburst floods end up being LAKES.

LOL So? It does nothing to the fact that floods do leave behind traces. Learn some real science on it for once.

[_Themis]

That's standard DNA science...... A small group entering into a larger group simply would not show save maybe in rare cases. Surprised you don't know this very common DNA fact. Clearly you are reading too much anti-mormonism rather than the actual DNA sciences.

Possibly he does not know it because in reality it is not a fact. How well a group does will determine if their genes get passed on, and the Book of Mormon seems to suggest this, not to mention that no one else was around. Especially if you are believing in a global flood. :)

Further, you are aware that VERY FEW natives of the America's have even been tested?
I'm sure if everyone was tested much more so-called Hebrew DNA would be found.

LOL now the reversal. If we test everyone it will be found. Much more? They haven't found any yet.