Why Intellectuals Cannot Become REAL Christians

[_Nightlion]

trying to lift people up to the higher state of existence that can only be realized in the experiential knowledge of God as the Maker of your new heart, might, mind and strength. That IS the gospel of Jesus Christ

Sorry if I sounded too critical. I do not wish for you to stop. And yes that is the gospel which we all need.

God is a far stronger lifter in this matter than you but I say that not to say that your efforts are improper.

Lol I did not realize that I implied that I thought I was the lifter-upper, of course not.

I preached in a priesthood meeting about THE gospel and called for a sustaining vote if any of the Elders would acknowledge what I said was true....one guy actually stood up. That was the year I got exed. Not in the same ward or stake even. This is why I am now so rude to the LDS. I know that they know I am correct. I have spent forty years attempting to get any of them to man-up. They run off like scared little girls.

Like I am going to bring forth Zion all my own self? Call it back from Enoch's fled city?
Call up Zion from beneath where they smite the earth and a nation is born in one day, the earth having travailed and brought forth her strength? Yeah, maybe. Then the LDS get to stand there with their mouths wide open waiting for the burning of the tares with NO WHEAT among them.

[_Gordon]

Please note my emphasis of real. Mormons are not real Christians. Evangelicals and not real Christians. And on and on. The only real Christians are those who receive the power of Christ's redemption and are made his children by the baptism of fire and of the Holy Ghost. Mormons do not do this. A few did at first, very few. But now none have and never will. But they talk about it, sure. EVs never have done this. No not one standing today. Proto-Evs maybe here and there because there are some very good hymns that sound like it. With God all things are possible.

I must admit that I didn't get past your first paragraph. Why? Because it's pretty much BS. I am an itellectual, and I am one who follows the Christ of us all. The rest of your nonsense is a non sequitur. Basically, your 'claim' is that only "fools" can know the Lord. Yes, He will make Himself known by the weak, but you just don't understand Him. I think you need to refer to Proverbs 3:5, Isaiah 5:21, and 1 Cor. 1:27 a bit more closely, because I think they apply to you...

[_Blixa]

I am an itellectual...

Truer words were never spoken...

[_Nightlion]

I must admit that I didn't get past your first paragraph. Why? Because it's pretty much BS. I am an itellectual, and I am one who follows the Christ of us all. The rest of your nonsense is a non sequitur. Basically, your 'claim' is that only "fools" can know the Lord. Yes, He will make Himself known by the weak, but you just don't understand Him. I think you need to refer to Proverbs 3:5, Isaiah 5:21, and 1 Cor. 1:27 a bit more closely, because I think they apply to you...

See how far I got to push it to get so much as a drive by reaction? Let's see how deep your river runs bud.

Proverbs 3: 5
5 ¶ Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.


hey, that's my line to youse guys.

Isaiah 5: 21
21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!


that's my sayin' that youse is too! You gonna say that one more time?

1 Corinthians 1: 27
27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

Ooh! Ouch man! That's cold. So, being intellectual and all, that's it? I know you are but what am I?

Sorry, but there is not enough meat on the bone to engage that. Hmm? anyway I suppose youse already gone. I don't understand him? Okay but phooey! Your own words betray you. God is never understood as you say. We experience him when we are given to know him by the grace of Christ's redemption. You can only understand of your own accord what is beneath you, less than you are. I'm not never gonna understand God, except for what he tells me and shows me and causes me to feel.(See there? Even I have my intellectual moments) Beyond that I got faith, hope, and charity for everyone with the expectation that such an act on my part qualifies me for more.

If you have half a mind to please tell me what you got.

[_Nightlion]

I am an itellectual...

Truer words were never spoken...

I wept then laughed again

[_Franktalk]

I'm still wrestling with the book of Job. That's mostly what prompted my comment. Obviously there is a strong anthropomorphism in the Judeo-Christian tradition that perhaps reaches its pinnacle in Mormonism. I've been wondering what it would be like to think otherwise.

I love the Book of Job. I think the book contains a second layer conversation between the Holy Ghost and Satan. I do not know if it is correct. If you want I will send it to you.

Frank

[_Gordon]

I am an itellectual...

Truer words were never spoken...

Call me a skeptic, but the "..." leaves much open to interpretation. ;)

[_Gordon]

Sorry, but there is not enough meat on the bone to engage that. Hmm? anyway I suppose youse already gone. I don't understand him? Okay but phooey! Your own words betray you. God is never understood as you say. We experience him when we are given to know him by the grace of Christ's redemption. You can only understand of your own accord what is beneath you, less than you are. I'm not never gonna understand God, except for what he tells me and shows me and causes me to feel.(See there? Even I have my intellectual moments) Beyond that I got faith, hope, and charity for everyone with the expectation that such an act on my part qualifies me for more.

It seems quite evident that we aren't on the same page.

The only way to know, as a truth, of the Christ, is by the HS; "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." (John 14:16)

However, your claim that "intellectuals" can't become "real" 'Christians' (sans what that term actually implies...) is misleading. Yes, those who rely soley upon their own understanding will be hard-pressed (just as the rich man), but that doesn't exclude all intellectuals (those who think).

[_Gordon]

I wept then laughed again

Perhaps you could enlighten me on the, apparent, forum joke...

[_Nightlion]

I wept then laughed again

Perhaps you could enlighten me on the, apparent, forum joke...

No biggie. At first glance I thought my friend, Blixa, had broken my heart. But then I saw the truth and laughed. Nothing about you, honest.