John 3:61

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zeezrom wrote:Hoops,

We should get together. You know, hang around the water cooler together.

The problem comes down to gravity. I'm gravitating toward something I love. We'll see where it leads. Likely it won't lead to the spot you find yourself in.

I would be honored.

We should talk about love. It's when we become better versions of ourselves. That's what Jesus was talking about "Come to me all you of heavy burden."

But I'm sure we'll get to all of that.
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RockSlider wrote:Hey, hoops, do they ever do gospel rock at your church? Of course standard hymns have always moved me, but there is something about an electric guitar that moves my soul.

Being such the sheltered Mormon boy, it was not until I hit basic training, and got those Sunday options away from the barracks for an hour or two that I first came across a drum set and guitars in a chapel.

Mormon's frown on any percussion instruments (even acoustic guitars) in sacrament meeting … a shame really.
Of course much of American rock, and Country has roots in gospel.

Give me the beat boys, and free my soul!

here, this one is also likely a good basket ball player

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0WRM2ShL-0

I've been to some churches where it was a rock concert for almost the entire service. I get that some people don't go for that and that's fine. But I do!!

I went to a "black" church in new orleans for a solid month. The only white person there. It was TREMENDOUS!! And the Mormons got nothin on these guys when it comes to love bombs. I still relish the memory.

I followed that with an Lutheran chaser. Beautiful, stunning hymns.
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There was a time that this talk made good sense to me:

The Atonement, by Cleon Skousen

Hoops, I would be interested in your comments on this talk

It would be interesting to hear the "corrupt Catholic's" thoughts on it as well.
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Oh goodness, they played this the third sunday I was at that church. Imagine a beautiful black lady, tippin' two bills, singing this backed up by a choir and 7 or 8 instruments. Stunning!! (though I love Beck's version here better, the guitars man!!)

Anyone who denies there is a God weren't at that Gal Durn service and heard that song.

And thoses is the fax, man.
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huckelberry wrote:"to be able to associate with you without tarnishing"

How could a statement be more wrong? Jesus was associating with all kinds of sinners. His father loved Isreal a people well versed in sin. God was not pleased with this sin but it never never never never stopped him from associaling in love with humans. How do Protestants get so bizarre?

The entire system of sacrifice and priestly mediation was designed to give impure people a modicum of access to a God so pure that he cannot allow them to be directly in his presence. In the words of Habakkuk, God's "eyes are too pure to look on evil; you cannot tolerate wrong." Mind you, Habakkuk goes on to lament that God tolerates the wicked anyway. So it's not that God doesn't love sinners; he loves them at least enough to allow them to exist. But on the the other hand, he seems only to associate with them through mediators (such as priests and Jesus) or after putting them through a rigorous purification process involving ritual washing and propitatory sacrifice.

Christ's atonement merely continues and completes this logic. As pseudo-Paul says in Ephesians 2, "remember that at that time you [Gentiles] were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ. ... For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit." And again in Hebrews 10:19-31: "...since we have confidence to enter the Most Holy Place by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way opened for us through the curtain, that is, his body, and since we have a great priest over the house of God, let us draw near to God with a sincere heart and with the full assurance that faith brings, having our hearts sprinkled to cleanse us from a guilty conscience and having our bodies washed with pure water."

I think it's great that the Christ-myth attenuated the Old Testament purity logic as much as it did, but let's not fool ourselves; it's still the same logic. And it makes no more sense, really, when Christ fulfills it than when Moses laid it all out in the first place.
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RockSlider wrote:
It would be interesting to hear the "corrupt Catholic's" thoughts on it as well.

The corrupt Catholic was meant as a stick in the eye for Ceeboo. Cuz he's a good guy and we're friends *though not in real life.

This is one protestant who LOVES the Catholic church. Absolutely loves it. And considers that much of protestantism could learn a lot from her.
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Catholicism is at the top of my Christian totem pole.

Hoops,

I hate to continue the derailment of CS's thread, but I agree that it is about love. I love love.
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Hoops wrote:
RockSlider wrote:
It would be interesting to hear the "corrupt Catholic's" thoughts on it as well.

The corrupt Catholic was meant as a stick in the eye for Ceeboo. Cuz he's a good guy and we're friends *though not in real life.

This is one protestant who LOVES the Catholic church. Absolutely loves it. And considers that much of protestantism could learn a lot from her.


I love ceeboo. He knows that "corrupt catholic" coming from either of us is a term of endearment.
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Hoops wrote:The fact that anyone here has a complaint about Ceeboo speaks volumes. I get it about me, but Ceeboo? Come on.

For DrW: This means that Ceeboo is the nicest, most generous and gracious person on this board. For one to complain about Ceeboo tells me that the complainer is a d*ckhead.



I've noticed lately you've been disrespectful a number of times to Dr.W. So what sort of complaint are you referring to, to call Dr. W. a dickhead for doing so?
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Rockslider,

Do you have some good "sick time" movies? Might I recommend http://m.imdb.com/title/tt0088727/ ? The part with Matthew and the puffed sleeves makes me want to cry every time.



Ok, back to the atonement!

CS,

I've been a pretty bad color enthusiast the past two years. I keep looking for black and white. Color makes all the difference in the world. How can we look at the Bible in black and white? I do it all the time so I guess I'm really asking myself this and digging an even deeper derailment hole.
Oh for shame, how the mortals put the blame on us gods, for they say evils come from us, but it is they, rather, who by their own recklessness win sorrow beyond what is given... Zeus (1178 BC)

The Holy Sacrament.
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