Still Baptizing Jews

[_Joe Geisner]

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/201 ... sh-outrage

"This is a sign that the Church is serious about this issue," Purdy adds.

Purdy is a Church spokesperson. I am as skeptical as Cooper.

I wonder if the Church will send a thank you note to Bill Maher or Helen Radkey making them aware of these stupid moves?

[_Drifting]

All this fuss, when even the Book of Mormon makes it clear that Baptisms for the Dead are unnecessary.

Please CFR, please, please, please....

[_Stormy Waters]

The church has punished the perpetrator.

"LDS officials in Salt Lake City were quick to apologize Monday, saying that the Utah-based faith "sincerely regret[s] that the actions of an individual member ... led to the inappropriate submission of these names," which were "clearly against the policy of the church."

"We consider this a serious breach of our protocol," spokesman Scott Trotter said in a statement, "and we have suspended indefinitely this person’s ability to access our genealogy records."

I haven't done genealogy in a while. Does the church make it clear that members aren't supposed to do this?

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/53506 ... s.html.csp

[_Joe Geisner]

Please CFR, please, please, please....

I would suggest that Book of Mormon theology would teach against Baptism for the Dead theology.

See Alma 34:31-35 and Alma 42:10-13. One would have to read into the Book of Mormon Smith's evolving theology to get anything close to redemption of the dead theology. But as multiple historians have shown, Smith abandoned the Book of Mormon after 1830.

[_beefcalf]

All this fuss, when even the Book of Mormon makes it clear that Baptisms for the Dead are unnecessary.

Please CFR, please, please, please....

Alma 34:32-35 Those who die without being baptized in this life are too late, there is nothing that can be done later:

33 And now, as I said unto you before, as ye have had so many witnesses, therefore, I beseech of you that ye do not procrastinate the day of your repentance until the end; for after this day of life, which is given us to prepare for eternity, behold, if we do not improve our time while in this life, then cometh the night of darkness wherein there can be no labor performed.

Moroni 8:22-23 Those who die without the law are not accountable, such as infants.

22 For behold that all little children are alive in Christ, and also all they that are without the law. For the power of redemption cometh on all them that have no law; wherefore, he that is not condemned, or he that is under no condemnation, cannot repent; and unto such baptism availeth nothing—

[_Quasimodo]

Alma 34:32-35 Those who die without being baptized in this life are too late, there is nothing that can be done later:

33 And now, as I said unto you before, as ye have had so many witnesses, therefore, I beseech of you that ye do not procrastinate the day of your repentance until the end; for after this day of life, which is given us to prepare for eternity, behold, if we do not improve our time while in this life, then cometh the night of darkness wherein there can be no labor performed.

Moroni 8:22-23 Those who die without the law are not accountable, such as infants.

22 For behold that all little children are alive in Christ, and also all they that are without the law. For the power of redemption cometh on all them that have no law; wherefore, he that is not condemned, or he that is under no condemnation, cannot repent; and unto such baptism availeth nothing—

Good stuff, beefcalf! I asked this earlier without a response from anyone. Do you know who first, in the LDS Church, proposed the idea of baptism for the dead and why?

[_Molok]

I would be interested in hearing what our non-LDS participants think about the LDS baptizing their (the non-LDS) ancestors.

On the one hand, it just seems wrong, like walking on someone's grave, but on the other hand, I don't believe in any of it, so I can't see that it particularly matters. I'm inclined to view it as something not really worth arguing about.

[_Stormy Waters]

Good stuff, beefcalf! I asked this earlier without a response from anyone. Do you know who first, in the LDS Church, proposed the idea of baptism for the dead and why?

The first mention I know of is Joseph Smith at the funeral of Seymour Brunson who died without being baptized.

[_TAK]

"We note that these rites were undertaken and confirmed in Mormon Temples in Utah, Arizona, and Idaho. "

Ok so the church is still re-cycling names between temples..

[_Bond James Bond]

I would be interested in hearing what our non-LDS participants think about the LDS baptizing their (the non-LDS) ancestors.

Extremely offensive if it were to happen. I personally wonder if a letter of resignation can be triggered as part of a last will and testament to stop any proxy baptism of myself from happening; a preemptive "do not contact" order of my soul is basically what I want.

Actually I'll allow a proxy baptism of myself only if the President of the LDS Church at the time of my death personally visits my grave and pisses for thirty seconds on my tombstone. And I want full coverage of the stone, including "tracing" all the letters and numbers with the stream. If he needs assistance in the act he can bring his counselors and as much orange Powerade as necessary. Might as well get the metaphor part out of the way.